Quote from: Lord SvengaliKoltar, only you could/would equate GURPS with porn.

 NOT with porn, but with a  woman.
 Look at the OP , Sett himself says I have a great affection for the game.
 He started the metaphor ....I just went with it.

 The system IS flexible.


- Ed C.

Quote from: RedFoxUmm, I agree that any system can be munchkinned, but D&D is definitely harder to munchkin than GURPS.  The reason is simple:  Less vectors for min-maxing.

Vectors? Ways?

Bollocks. It was D&D players who invented the very term "munchkin." Not GURPS players. GURPS may or may not be easier to munchkin than D&D, but D&D attracts more munchkins to begin with, so it evens out! - No, it doesn't even out - there are proportionally more munchkins in D&D. If even one player munchkins out in a D&D game group, the rest have to, otherwise they'll either be left behind, or the GM offers challenges which are hard for most of the group and easy for the munchkin. GURPS has got a flatter power curve, so it's easier to match challenges to the abilities of the group, even if one guy has munchkined out.

Quote from: Lord Svengali*nods agreement and shudders as I remember the sumo wrestler/physicist-turned-luchador that made it into one of my campaigns*

Wow, made it in?

You mean he wasn't invited?


I want more character's like that!

Quote from: JimBobOzIt was D&D players who invented the very term "munchkin."

That may have been so, but it was GURPS players of my acquaintance who invented the term 'rules-reaming'.

Haha, rules-reaming!

Quote from: RedFoxUmm, I agree that any system can be munchkinned, but D&D is definitely harder to munchkin than GURPS.  The reason is simple:  Less vectors for min-maxing.

D&D is relatively easy to munchkin, and for the same reason that Exalted is too, there are lots of options (feats character abilities, magic items) that, although insignificant in themselves (when they're not openly poweful, sometimes they are), produce synergies when combined, leading to powerful combos. D&D3.0 is infamous for this, and let's remember the kobold Pum-Pum.

Quote from: KrakaJakWow, made it in?

You mean he wasn't invited?


I want more character's like that!

The player was invited...but I must not have been paying close enough attention when he submitted his character for approval. One of those "Looks good to me" moments, I guess. I didn't realize that he might be a problem until the character went mano-a-lizard with an allosaurus...and won.

Quote from: Lord SvengaliThe player was invited...but I must not have been paying close enough attention when he submitted his character for approval. One of those "Looks good to me" moments, I guess. I didn't realize that he might be a problem until the character went mano-a-lizard with an allosaurus...and won.

Okay, you've got to explain how that worked.

Quote from: hgjsOkay, you've got to explain how that worked.

It's been about three years since we played that session...but if I remember correctly, it involved the ST 14 character basically crippling the dino's feet/legs with a series of Stamp Kicks and then finishing it off with attacks from behind. He rolled his Dodges well enough that the allosaurus was able to lay claw on him only once, and the damage from that turned out to be minimal (4 points, I believe).

After that, I paid a lot more attention to incoming characters

Game Master Approved or Disapproved.

That is the Ultimate Question

QM

Quote from: TheQuestionManGame Master Approved or Disapproved.

That is the Ultimate Question

QM

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Looking over the thread...It appears that many people are okay with GURPS and think it works just fine. Some also appear to like some parts of it and grudgingly admit that .

 Some of the so-called problems appear to be GM /player communication or agreement issues that could happen with ANY game system.

 Also,  as another thread has shown - many people seem to like the gist of the advantages , disadvantages and skills list of GURPS , they just want to tweak it a little.

- Ed C.

Quote from: KoltarSome of the so-called problems appear to be GM /player communication or agreement issues that could happen with ANY game system.

An experienced gamer will take a tool kit game and modify it to their own needs while the inexperienced gamer will suffer with problems because of their inexperience.  Take a game that's focused to help the inexperienced gamer and the experienced gamer will tell you they already do that.  I'm more frustrated that the experienced gamer can't realize the design structure of both styles and incorporate them to the people they are playing with.  The answer is not to search out for people that have similar styles but to find people you enjoy being with and finding something that entertains everybody to keep them coming back.

Quote from: SettembriniThe arrival of Koltar, with his staggering affection for GURPS triggered this thread.

  Oh HELL Yes.

 Just had a customer in the store tonight that reminded me why.  This next will be really shallow  - but I don't give a damn.

 Her name is Christine .

 She is brunette with red tint in her hair. Gorgeous greenish eyes.  she was wearing a skimpy spaghetti-strap tank top.
 If we weren't already debating global warming we'd have yto start - because her smile could melt the icebergs.....

 Any way - you get the idea. Think a young Sandra Bullock with a little bit of Evangeline Lilly in the appearance mix.

 She crouches down to to browse our dice... and says this :

"I just need  three six siders..we're playing GURPS , after all."

 AH!! The Magic words - the other reason she stuck in my memory's recesses from her last visit!! Not only does my temperature rise when she walks into the store  - but she plays  GURPS!!!!!!!

 There is a God!!

...but that God is Loki (or some other god of pranks and mischief)
 Shopping with her - is her boyfriend. And he is pleasant and a nice guy.  (I could TAKE him in a fight- if Only I was a real bastard.)

 So, GURPs is NOT a Joke....and if it is a Joke - then there is at least one DAMN Beautiful participant telling her version of it.

- Ed C.

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