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Why GURPS is a joke

Started by Settembrini, April 05, 2007, 04:12:10 AM

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Settembrini

#195
April 09, 2007, 06:21:53 PM
Why do you need a point buy for that?
You could just write down the numbers you want, if the points aren´t a measure for equality.
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Gunslinger

#196
April 09, 2007, 06:23:58 PM
Quote from: SettembriniBecause all point buy systems have seen sloppy execution.
I´ll not accept: "It´s always been like that" as an excuse.
I'm just foggy how it's possible to balance a point buy system without the GM or group saying "No".  Show me a point buy system and I'll show you people who have learned to min/max the hell out of it.
 

Settembrini

#197
April 09, 2007, 06:25:59 PM
QuoteShow me a point buy system and I'll show you people who have learned to min/max the hell out of it.

Which is a data point for my opinion, ain´t it?
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Thanatos02

#198
April 09, 2007, 08:09:27 PM
Point-buy is really just a granular method of developing characters versus level-and-class based which has typically generated some of your data for you.
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Claudius

#199
April 10, 2007, 01:41:34 AM
Yesterday I didn't answer to this:

Quote from: SettembriniRonin, Rifts is not GURPS.

You can play unbalanced systems your whole life, and be happy and healthy. I do so, except when forced to do otherwise. You don´t have to go to extreme ridicolousness in balance like Rifts. Traveller is just as unbalanced.

But they don´t have a point buy system.

What is the purpose of a point buy system?

Please tell me!
Flexibility.
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Claudius

#200
April 10, 2007, 01:45:41 AM
Quote from: GunslingerYou're implying that point buy systems are aimed at balancing characters.  In my experience, point buy systems are the easiest to munchkin.  What they give you is an equal opportunity to munchkin.  So in that aspect, they are balanced.
No system is immune to munchkining. Point buy systems are easy to munchkin because they are more flexible than other systems.
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Kyle Aaron

#201
April 10, 2007, 02:03:25 AM
Is it seriously being said that D&D is heaps hard to munchkin compared to GURPS???

D&D players invented the term, "munchkin". And it wasn't being used to describe players of other systems...

No system's immune to munckining. I learned this when writing one for publication. Defending against munchkins is like defending against burglars - you can't stop the most determined ones, all you can do is to take away the obvious weaknesses and make them really work for it :confused:
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Lord Svengali

#202
April 10, 2007, 03:09:18 AM
*throws hands up in exasperation*

I have come to the conclusion that Settembrini is by far more intelligent and experienced than I am. After all:
  • I have absolutely no understanding of how Settembrini is defining "mechanic" or what he means by "data point".
  • I'm apparently not proficient enough in English to be able to lace my posts with profanity in order to make my point.
  • After playing RPGs in general and D&D in particular for 27 years, and GMing adventures of my own creation at assorted conventions, I have failed to realize that D&D is an accurate reflection of reality.
 

Imperator

#203
April 10, 2007, 08:33:20 AM
Quote from: Lord Svengali*throws hands up in exasperation*

I have come to the conclusion that Settembrini is by far more intelligent and experienced than I am. After all:
  • I have absolutely no understanding of how Settembrini is defining "mechanic" or what he means by "data point".
  • I'm apparently not proficient enough in English to be able to lace my posts with profanity in order to make my point.
  • After playing RPGs in general and D&D in particular for 27 years, and GMing adventures of my own creation at assorted conventions, I have failed to realize that D&D is an accurate reflection of reality.

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Koltar

#204
April 10, 2007, 10:31:42 AM
Quote from: SettembriniYou moron.



But GURPS doesn´t fulfill any of it´s alleged niche areas of expertise:

Point buy
Realism

It fails miserably in both.


 Yes, name calling shows how eloquent you are. (wonderful way to welcome people)

 As to those two points??

 I say it succeeds gloriously on both points.
 If all you have been playing games trhat exaggerate reality - then you might have trouble seeing that.

 Its a lot easier to simulate reality with GURPS (If you want to...) than with most other game systems I've seen.  HERO system might get you close, but GURPS is better.

 Again, Settembrini ...if you don't get it - just say so.

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Gunslinger

#205
April 10, 2007, 12:43:04 PM
Quote from: ClaudiusNo system is immune to munchkining. Point buy systems are easy to munchkin because they are more flexible than other systems.
Agreed.
 

Lord Svengali

#206
April 10, 2007, 12:48:28 PM
Quote from: ClaudiusPoint buy systems are easy to munchkin because they are more flexible than other systems.
*nods agreement and shudders as I remember the sumo wrestler/physicist-turned-luchador that made it into one of my campaigns*
 

Koltar

#207
April 10, 2007, 12:55:58 PM
As I said in a similiar post in some other forum :

 GURPS is so flexible that if it was a gymnast, she could have several artistic porn movies centering on her abilities.

 Thats why I LIKE the game system.


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Lord Svengali

#208
April 10, 2007, 03:53:16 PM
Koltar, only you could/would equate GURPS with porn. :)
 

RedFox

#209
April 10, 2007, 09:26:09 PM
Quote from: JimBobOzIs it seriously being said that D&D is heaps hard to munchkin compared to GURPS???

D&D players invented the term, "munchkin". And it wasn't being used to describe players of other systems...

No system's immune to munckining. I learned this when writing one for publication. Defending against munchkins is like defending against burglars - you can't stop the most determined ones, all you can do is to take away the obvious weaknesses and make them really work for it :confused:

Umm, I agree that any system can be munchkinned, but D&D is definitely harder to munchkin than GURPS.  The reason is simple:  Less vectors for min-maxing.
 
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