Quote from: King Tyranno on August 25, 2021, 08:33:13 AM
I'm just getting into OSR related stuff after nearly 15 years playing Pen and Paper RPGs and Wargames. I'm really into a lot of the OSR mentality. Specifically I love that the GM should be the final arbiter of the rules. Great. I've had so much bullshit in the past 5 years from the Critical Role lot whenever they worm their way into my games.

I've recently got into several arguments online and IRL. And it always starts the same way. I've always believed that stories come OUT of whatever game you are playing. And that story is exclusive to and can ONLY happen in the group you are in. I say what I have said above. That I am really starting to like the OSR and I think that's how I want to run my games. Players shouldn't come in with this pre-determined epic adventure they want to play. And I'm not a fan of the Mercer style of fudging dice and pretending to play something resembling DnD in a much more scripted and theatrical way. It doesn't matter where I am, /tg/, Reddit, etc. People seem to get really personally offended when I just mention the OSR in passing as something I'm starting to like. I never say my way is the best way, just that it's my way and I prefer it for my games. I'm not trying to change anyone else's minds. But they always go back to several shouted out assertions. Especially after they died to a goblin at level 1 and have to make a new character.  I didn't make the goblin OP. I just enforced the rules fairly and you had some crappy roles. I am not fudging the dice for you.

"You're just a fucking grognard. DnD is much better now than that old stuff."

"omg you're demanding DnD change to meet your narrow expectations."

"You just want to be an edgy try hard making it hard for no reason. DnD should be fun. Not hard."

I don't think I'm anything special as a GM. I just really want to go back to the idea of DnD as a game of chance. It doesn't always go like you expect. But you have fun and laugh about the dumb rolls afterwards.

To be fair, you do sound a bit like an edgelord.  Particularly in your constant characterization of 5e as Mercer's type of game, when really Mercer's type of game isn't necessarily a good representation of 5e which does put the power back in the hands of the DM.  We've never fudged dice with 5e, I've never seen the designers of 5e encourage people to fudge dice, and fudging dice isn't some core concept of 5e.

As for OSR, have at it. It's a fine style of D&D. But you making it some chip on your shoulder and daring people to try and knock it off? Yeah, again, just you being a bit of an edgelord it seems. Play the game you want to play.

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 27, 2021, 02:09:02 PM

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 01:33:39 PM

Quote from: King Tyranno on August 27, 2021, 01:32:16 PMYou are talking about tolerating other people's behavior whilst also advocating for the deaths of other people's harmless behaviour. If you can't see the hypocrisy there you are actually mentally ill. I have nothing more to say to you.

Since when is mass murder via bioterrorism harmless?

You're a troll, but I won't ignore that comment because that mindset leads people into totalitarianism. If the vaccine protects you, get it and leave us alone. If it doesn't, don't force it upon us and leave us alone. It's that simple. We don't want to risk the side effects of vaccines and vaccine surveillance for a disease that is mostly harmless (according to official statistics which count deaths with covid as deaths by covid, and you can't count the asymptomatic or the ones who didn't get tested, so the death rate is evem lower)

Throughout history people got past diseases without vaccines; even diseases like measles were practically insignificant way before they introduced vaccines. Same for smallpox, which had practically disappeared by the time it was "erradicated" through vaccines. That's how we got past the black plague, avian flu, swine flu and the Spanish flu. Not a single vaccine. Did thousands of yearly variants pop up? Nope. Why not? Covid is the only disease for which your immune system doesn't work and the entire world has to stop, even if you have more than 50% or 60% of the population vaccinated and low death counts (UK, US, Israel, Canada). Hell, even the 100% fully vaccinated Comoros is on CDC's red list. Iceland (70% fully vaxxed) is now resorting to natural immunity.


Think about this; places with low vaccination rates like Poland, India, Afghanistan, Venezuela, New Zealand, Alabama, Haiti, South Africa; they don't have a major covid problem. Why? Shouldn't Indians be dropping like flies, since delta started there and they had little to no vaccines and poor infrastructure? Yet they have lower death rates than the US or the UK...

This is the first time all the governments and media of the world mobilize to make sure everyone gets vaccinated; even people who are not at risk and could gain natural immunity. Do they do it out of kindness or is there another agenda?

What is Event 201? What is "gain of function research" and what viruses were they studying? What is ID2020 and quantum dot tattoo? Many coincidences if you ask me.

I know this is off topic but you brought this up and no reasonable person can be silent about this.

A pandemic that should be over, is killing children who cannot be vaccinated because of idiots like you.

If it was just conservatives dying and not the immunocompromised, those potentially allergic to the vaccine, and children also dying, then I would not care.

But one innocent life in the US is worth more than the 100+ million conservative lives in the US. (I'm not extending this principal to the whole globe)

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 02:17:45 PM

A pandemic that should be over, is killing children who cannot be vaccinated because of idiots like you.

If it was just conservatives dying and not the immunocompromised, those potentially allergic to the vaccine, and children also dying, then I would not care.

But one innocent life in the US is worth more than the 100+ million conservative lives in the US. (I'm not extending this principal to the whole globe)

If you want to continue this discussion do it at the thread dedicated to covid and vaccines. Funny how you can get banned in this forum for "racism" but not for saying conservative lives are worthless.

Will WOTC soon tell us, that we must install wheelchair ramps in all of our dungeons?

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 27, 2021, 02:26:09 PM

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 02:17:45 PM

A pandemic that should be over, is killing children who cannot be vaccinated because of idiots like you.

If it was just conservatives dying and not the immunocompromised, those potentially allergic to the vaccine, and children also dying, then I would not care.

But one innocent life in the US is worth more than the 100+ million conservative lives in the US. (I'm not extending this principal to the whole globe)

If you want to continue this discussion do it at the thread dedicated to covid and vaccines. Funny how you can get banned in this forum for "racism" but not for saying conservative lives are worthless.

Where are you coming from on that whine about "get banned in this forum for "racism"?"

Quote from: Mistwell on August 27, 2021, 02:15:07 PM

Quote from: King Tyranno on August 25, 2021, 08:33:13 AM
I'm just getting into OSR related stuff after nearly 15 years playing Pen and Paper RPGs and Wargames. I'm really into a lot of the OSR mentality. Specifically I love that the GM should be the final arbiter of the rules. Great. I've had so much bullshit in the past 5 years from the Critical Role lot whenever they worm their way into my games.

I've recently got into several arguments online and IRL. And it always starts the same way. I've always believed that stories come OUT of whatever game you are playing. And that story is exclusive to and can ONLY happen in the group you are in. I say what I have said above. That I am really starting to like the OSR and I think that's how I want to run my games. Players shouldn't come in with this pre-determined epic adventure they want to play. And I'm not a fan of the Mercer style of fudging dice and pretending to play something resembling DnD in a much more scripted and theatrical way. It doesn't matter where I am, /tg/, Reddit, etc. People seem to get really personally offended when I just mention the OSR in passing as something I'm starting to like. I never say my way is the best way, just that it's my way and I prefer it for my games. I'm not trying to change anyone else's minds. But they always go back to several shouted out assertions. Especially after they died to a goblin at level 1 and have to make a new character.  I didn't make the goblin OP. I just enforced the rules fairly and you had some crappy roles. I am not fudging the dice for you.

"You're just a fucking grognard. DnD is much better now than that old stuff."

"omg you're demanding DnD change to meet your narrow expectations."

"You just want to be an edgy try hard making it hard for no reason. DnD should be fun. Not hard."

I don't think I'm anything special as a GM. I just really want to go back to the idea of DnD as a game of chance. It doesn't always go like you expect. But you have fun and laugh about the dumb rolls afterwards.

To be fair, you do sound a bit like an edgelord.  Particularly in your constant characterization of 5e as Mercer's type of game, when really Mercer's type of game isn't necessarily a good representation of 5e which does put the power back in the hands of the DM.  We've never fudged dice with 5e, I've never seen the designers of 5e encourage people to fudge dice, and fudging dice isn't some core concept of 5e.

As for OSR, have at it. It's a fine style of D&D. But you making it some chip on your shoulder and daring people to try and knock it off? Yeah, again, just you being a bit of an edgelord it seems. Play the game you want to play.

Here we go. Wanting to actually play DnD and not fudge dice is now "edgelord" behavior. Really showed me up here. Not liking 5E is edgelord behaviour.  I would've preferred nuance and not the exact strawman I made coming alive to prove me right.

Quote from: King Tyranno on August 27, 2021, 02:56:09 PMHere we go. Wanting to actually play DnD and not fudge dice is now "edgelord" behavior. Really showed me up here. Not liking 5E is edgelord behaviour.

I don't like D&D 5e or fudging dice either.

Wild to call D&D 5e not actual D&D though...

Quote from: Mistwell on August 27, 2021, 02:46:12 PM

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 27, 2021, 02:26:09 PM

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 02:17:45 PM

A pandemic that should be over, is killing children who cannot be vaccinated because of idiots like you.

If it was just conservatives dying and not the immunocompromised, those potentially allergic to the vaccine, and children also dying, then I would not care.

But one innocent life in the US is worth more than the 100+ million conservative lives in the US. (I'm not extending this principal to the whole globe)

If you want to continue this discussion do it at the thread dedicated to covid and vaccines. Funny how you can get banned in this forum for "racism" but not for saying conservative lives are worthless.

Where are you coming from on that whine about "get banned in this forum for "racism"?"

  Pundit banned a dude a few weeks ago, for... you guessed it, racism.  which is fine, however, talking about killing millions of people seems just fine...

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 02:17:45 PM
A pandemic that should be over, is killing children who cannot be vaccinated because of idiots like you.

If it was just conservatives dying and not the immunocompromised, those potentially allergic to the vaccine, and children also dying, then I would not care.

You're against vaccinating children, grandma, and people who say they have an allergy? Sounds like an anti-vaxxer conspiracy theory. The vax has FDA approval and numerous studies confirm it is safe.

QuoteBut one innocent life in the US is worth more than the 100+ million conservative lives in the US. (I'm not extending this principal to the whole globe)

Trump only got 74 million votes. So what happened to the other 26+ million? Are you saying election fraud threw out 26+ million votes for Trump? Come on, man. Biden beat him fair and square with 81 million votes. Get over it.

Orange man bad. Orange vax good.

Quote from: Lunamancer on August 27, 2021, 04:46:06 PM

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 02:17:45 PM
A pandemic that should be over, is killing children who cannot be vaccinated because of idiots like you.

If it was just conservatives dying and not the immunocompromised, those potentially allergic to the vaccine, and children also dying, then I would not care.

You're against vaccinating children, grandma, and people who say they have an allergy? Sounds like an anti-vaxxer conspiracy theory. The vax has FDA approval and numerous studies confirm it is safe.

This really highlights the knuckle dragging lack of sapience of "conservatives". Your reading comprehension skills must have been learned from Fox news since Teachers aren't trained to teach the mental gymnastics required to come to such conclusions.

1) Children under 12 still cannot legally receive the vaccine in the US.

2) The immunocompromised compose of transplant patients and certain cancer patients. Yes some elderly are in that group. But they can all be vaccinated. The vaccine is not as effective for them and that is why booster shots were approved for them first.

3) People with a history of anaphylactic reactions to vaccines may or may not be recommended by their allergist to get the vaccine. Since everyone will contract delta at some point, vaccination is still recommended even if it has to be done in a hospital with staff ready to act.

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 10:26:47 AM
4) All evidence says getting COVID-19 is infinity more risky than being vaccinated.

How can I take you seriously when you cant even math properly.

Which is, when you think about it,  probably exactly why OSR triggers people.

Quote from: Shasarak on August 27, 2021, 05:23:04 PM

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 10:26:47 AM
4) All evidence says getting COVID-19 is infinity more risky than being vaccinated.

How can I take you seriously when you cant even math properly.

Which is, when you think about it,  probably exactly why OSR triggers people.

My mistake, I meant "infinitely".

to an infinite extent or amount; without limit.
"there are issues here that could be expanded infinitely"
to a very great degree; immensely.
"a sweet, infinitely watchable performance"

Quote from: oggsmash on August 27, 2021, 03:42:52 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on August 27, 2021, 02:46:12 PM
Where are you coming from on that whine about "get banned in this forum for "racism"?"

  Pundit banned a dude a few weeks ago, for... you guessed it, racism.  which is fine, however, talking about killing millions of people seems just fine...

Priorities, dude. It's okay to wish death upon millions for not trusting the government and big pharma, but God forbid we stop pandering to people who will still hate us no matter what we do!

Edit: Fortunately that hater got banned.

Giving a few to see if they give this jackass the boot, I know it's not instant because jfc this guy talks like he's never been smacked in the mouth. The ban for racism was kind questionable maybe a warning or something would've been more appropriate. But if there was ever a reason for a banhammer this guy is it. I feel dumber for having actually read his posts

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 05:00:03 PM
This really highlights the knuckle dragging lack of sapience of "conservatives". Your reading comprehension skills must have been learned from Fox news since Teachers aren't trained to teach the mental gymnastics required to come to such conclusions.

You're just mad because I roasted your antivax ass.

Quote1) Children under 12 still cannot legally receive the vaccine in the US.

Now that it's approved, doctors can administer the vaccine for "off-label" use to young children. Right now the number of new pediatric hospital admissions for COVID are at record levels, and you're still clinging on to this tired old antivaxxer line.

QuoteThe vaccine is not as effective for them

LOL! Riiiiight. Vaccines aren't effective. Tell that to small pox.

Quote3) People with a history of anaphylactic reactions to vaccines may or may not be recommended by their allergist to get the vaccine. Since everyone will contract delta at some point, vaccination is still recommended even if it has to be done in a hospital with staff ready to act.

You mean that same hospital staff that are refusing to get vaccinated themselves? Why would I trust those anti-vaxxers when there's a perfectly good table set up in the 7-11 parking lot?