Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 11:10:11 AM
That I as a liberal...

You are not a liberal.

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 12:04:38 PM

Quote from: Ocule on August 27, 2021, 11:25:02 AMAlso if I understand your post correctly, you hold the position that any conservative who voices their opinion should lose their job? If this is correct what in the actual fuck is wrong with you?

No, every conservative should lose their life.

That blessed reality is too difficult to achieve in an ethical fashion. Both finding a method specific enough to be ethical and a method that does not corrupt the performers. You asshole pro-life chanting, child murderers are not worth the air you breathe. Regardless of whatever stupid twisted faux logic you decide to replace peer reviewed science with. Conservatives losing their jobs is woefully short of what they actually deserve.

My mistake, I shouldnt throw my pearls to swine. I apologize for assuming you are capable of higher brain function, and have the personality of a rabid dog. Go ahead, make my god damn day. I dare you, i double dare you mother fucker, i'm begging you. Please...jump. Jump and rid us of your hatred once and for all.

Well this is becoming a fuckin ride. I just wanted to know why certain types get triggered at the mere mention of the OSR but now we're having discussions about the Plandemic. A couple leftist bigots decided to virtue signal. Here? On an RPG forum full of autists including myself? Jog on.

I can absolutely see that the majority of the people who may find umbridge with the OSR are very authoritarian leftists who can't stand people having fun without their masters in control. But to be honest that wasn't really what I was thinking of when I made this topic. I don't care what a person's political affiliation is so long as they shut up at the table. Leftist SJWs ruin everything they touch and are only beaten by men pretending to be women in this regard. So I refuse to let them use my game sessions as another soap box. But they are but one voice in the choir of people who start going on at people whenever they so much as mention the OSR.

If I may be so bold, I would ask if we could go back on topic please?

Looks like Rheydn is not only taking the Piss or just simply the third rate kind. It's funny how supposed " Liberals" pretend to be anything but.

As usual though it's all about the carefully constructed personal narratives and anything that goes against is to be ignored or in his case summarily executed.

If you don't like it here fuck off back to the echo chamber that is RPG.net.

Quote from: King Tyranno on August 27, 2021, 12:44:15 PM
Well this is becoming a fuckin ride. I just wanted to know why certain types get triggered at the mere mention of the OSR but now we're having discussions about the Plandemic. A couple leftist bigots decided to virtue signal. Here? On an RPG forum full of autists including myself? Jog on.

I can absolutely see that the majority of the people who may find umbridge with the OSR are very authoritarian leftists who can't stand people having fun without their masters in control. But to be honest that wasn't really what I was thinking of when I made this topic. I don't care what a person's political affiliation is so long as they shut up at the table. Leftist SJWs ruin everything they touch and are only beaten by men pretending to be women in this regard. So I refuse to let them use my game sessions as another soap box. But they are but one voice in the choir of people who start going on at people whenever they so much as mention the OSR.

If I may be so bold, I would ask if we could go back on topic please?

lol OSR is my personal favorite collection of systems.

I also like how you effortlessly slipped in some transphobia. Really highlights the actual problem. People don't have a problem with OSR. People have a problem with "conservatives".

The authentic historical OSR RPGs sit on my shelf next to the genderpunk OSR RPGs without issue. A quality product is a quality product. I have witnessed a lot of "cult of new" people who dislike retro art and anything old. When a really good OSR product comes out, that can trigger cognitive dissonance in such people. But I think the greater factor is people like you talk to what you considered triggered people and they shit all over the thing you like because they don't like you. It's not really a crusade against OSR, D&D 5e after all is a couple of house rules away from being OSR and it is the most popular RPG.
(Those house rules being, remove con-mod from HP, add con-mod to death saving throws, do group initiative.)

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 12:04:38 PM

Quote from: Ocule on August 27, 2021, 11:25:02 AMAlso if I understand your post correctly, you hold the position that any conservative who voices their opinion should lose their job? If this is correct what in the actual fuck is wrong with you?

No, every conservative should lose their life.

That blessed reality is too difficult to achieve in an ethical fashion. Both finding a method specific enough to be ethical and a method that does not corrupt the performers. You asshole pro-life chanting, child murderers are not worth the air you breathe. Regardless of whatever stupid twisted faux logic you decide to replace peer reviewed science with. Conservatives losing their jobs is woefully short of what they actually deserve.

  In an rpg where the designed evil is there, and is unapologetically evil, only cowards say they must be killed "ethically"..  The ethical decision is to simply kill those who are unredeemable and evil.  Only a complete, and utter coward decides ethics are what stop them from killing someone they know to be evil.  So in the rpgs I play, if that is the problem for you, you are simply an unethical coward.

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 12:58:25 PM

Quote from: King Tyranno on August 27, 2021, 12:44:15 PM
Well this is becoming a fuckin ride. I just wanted to know why certain types get triggered at the mere mention of the OSR but now we're having discussions about the Plandemic. A couple leftist bigots decided to virtue signal. Here? On an RPG forum full of autists including myself? Jog on.

I can absolutely see that the majority of the people who may find umbridge with the OSR are very authoritarian leftists who can't stand people having fun without their masters in control. But to be honest that wasn't really what I was thinking of when I made this topic. I don't care what a person's political affiliation is so long as they shut up at the table. Leftist SJWs ruin everything they touch and are only beaten by men pretending to be women in this regard. So I refuse to let them use my game sessions as another soap box. But they are but one voice in the choir of people who start going on at people whenever they so much as mention the OSR.

If I may be so bold, I would ask if we could go back on topic please?

I also like how you effortlessly slipped in some transphobia.

I'm sorry you think respecting mentally ill people makes you a virtuous person. But it does not. And those who have to constantly claim they are virtuous are in fact the opposite. Without exception. You are advocating for the deaths of those you disagree with politically whilst also espousing your moral purity. I doubt you'll ever see the double standard there. Because you believe that because you are arbitrarily righteous due to your political beliefs everything you do is morally right and only done to the deserving and wicked. Any inconsistencies waved away as a necessary evil to stop the evil right wingers who are going to put people in concentration camps and kill people they don't agree with politically. But that's okay when you do it. Because you're so righteous.  Stop the holyier than thou attitude. Your opinion is sickening enough but that you virtue signal on an RPG forum with only a handful of people makes it sad and pointless.

tldr: suck the boyclit, bigot.

Quote from: oggsmash on August 27, 2021, 01:03:35 PMIn an rpg where the designed evil is there, and is unapologetically evil, only cowards say they must be killed "ethically"..  The ethical decision is to simply kill those who are unredeemable and evil.  Only a complete, and utter coward decides ethics are what stop them from killing someone they know to be evil.  So in the rpgs I play, if that is the problem for you, you are simply an unethical coward.

You also play as Heroes in RPGs. As in a person capable of violence that can perform violence without being fundamentally damaged by it. When that quality is mixed with a good moral compass, you get a virtuous hero.

Such people are rare. Most people are completely incapable of violence without extreme circumstances. Even people who think they are violent, by and large try to avoid lethal or maiming blows in their conflicts. Some people are willing to have PTSD to commit violence to save lives. While they are heroes that is not the kind of person an RPG character represents. Your average RPG hero could slay hundreds and never lose a wink of sleep. We have records of modern soldiers and Knights who performed such feats without issue, but they are rare individuals.

Quote from: King Tyranno on August 27, 2021, 01:07:11 PMI'm sorry you think respecting mentally ill people makes you a virtuous person. But it does not. And those who have to constantly claim they are virtuous are in fact the opposite. Without exception. You are advocating for the deaths of those you disagree with politically whilst also espousing your moral purity. I doubt you'll ever see the double standard there. Because you believe that because you are arbitrarily righteous due to your political beliefs everything you do is morally right and only done to the deserving and wicked. Any inconsistencies waved away as a necessary evil to stop the evil right wingers who are going to put people in concentration camps and kill people they don't agree with politically. But that's okay when you do it. Because you're so righteous.  Stop the holyier than thou attitude. Your opinion is sickening enough but that you virtue signal on an RPG forum with only a handful of people makes it sad and pointless.

tldr: suck the boyclit, bigot.

You could at least try to stay on topic.

I'm not virtue signaling. That would require my beliefs expressed to be above the bare minimum. Just because people like you can't tolerate someone's harmless behavior without insulting them in a crass unemphatic manner does not mean my differing stance is some sort of virtue.

"Conservatives" are mass murderers that will likely spawn a new vaccine resistant COVID-19 variant to start this process over again. Worse case scenario, we go back to Victorian era life expectancy as common illnesses kill most 60+ old people. The fact they also cripple democracy and will get us all killed with climate change is just shit syrup on the feces Sunday.

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 01:29:46 PM

Quote from: King Tyranno on August 27, 2021, 01:07:11 PMI'm sorry you think respecting mentally ill people makes you a virtuous person. But it does not. And those who have to constantly claim they are virtuous are in fact the opposite. Without exception. You are advocating for the deaths of those you disagree with politically whilst also espousing your moral purity. I doubt you'll ever see the double standard there. Because you believe that because you are arbitrarily righteous due to your political beliefs everything you do is morally right and only done to the deserving and wicked. Any inconsistencies waved away as a necessary evil to stop the evil right wingers who are going to put people in concentration camps and kill people they don't agree with politically. But that's okay when you do it. Because you're so righteous.  Stop the holyier than thou attitude. Your opinion is sickening enough but that you virtue signal on an RPG forum with only a handful of people makes it sad and pointless.

tldr: suck the boyclit, bigot.

You could at least try to stay on topic.

I'm not virtue signaling. That would require my beliefs expressed to be above the bare minimum. Just because people like you can't tolerate someone's harmless behavior without insulting them in a crass unemphatic manner does not mean my differing stance is some sort of virtue.

"Conservatives" are mass murderers that will likely spawn a new vaccine resistant COVID-19 variant to start this process over again. Worse case scenario, we go back to Victorian era life expectancy as common illnesses kill most 60+ old people. The fact they also cripple democracy and will get us all killed with climate change is just shit syrup on the feces Sunday.

You are talking about tolerating other people's behavior whilst also advocating for the deaths of other people's harmless behaviour. If you can't see the hypocrisy there you are actually mentally ill. I have nothing more to say to you.

Quote from: King Tyranno on August 27, 2021, 01:32:16 PMYou are talking about tolerating other people's behavior whilst also advocating for the deaths of other people's harmless behaviour. If you can't see the hypocrisy there you are actually mentally ill. I have nothing more to say to you.

Since when is mass murder via bioterrorism harmless?

Greetings!

I think that the OSR triggers many Liberals especially because the OSR refuses to embrace cock-sucking Marxist ideology and racist-demagogue talking points. SJWism, political correctness, feminism, intersectionality--all the Liberal jello. The OSR tends to resist and reject all of that nonsense. That enrages the cock-sucking Marxist Liberals. Then, adding extra hot sauce to the recipe is the tendency for the OSR to attract lots of Conservatives, which reinforces the "design-space", the social environment, and other avenues of expression that are decidedly hostile to Liberals and the entire SJW mentality and world-view. The shrill, intolerant, tyrannical Marxist Liberal oppresses and offends many people--not just Conservatives--and such people join with others in strengthening the OSR and opposing the tyrannical and hateful SJW's.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: King Tyranno on August 27, 2021, 12:44:15 PM
If I may be so bold, I would ask if we could go back on topic please?

Well, in a way this whole sorry side track is an example of an answer to your question.  Not the only answer, but an example.  Why does any gaming decision (not merely OSR) trigger people so much.  Because they are threatened.  I don't mean in the sense of every argument means someone feels threatened.  That's would merely be stupid, even sophomoric misuse of psychology.  People can disagree all day long and not feel threatened.  If it reaches the point to where other people, who are not affecting you in the slightest, are a threat  to your self image just by saying that they might play pretend elf different than you, then that's where it comes in. 

Of course, that's because some of them are attaching deep importance to how they play a pretend elf.  If you suggest that its OK to play a pretend elf not out to save the world from a host of 'isms, then you are, in fact, suggesting that their "depth" is really kind of vapid and even shallow.  If they let that pass, that might force them, for example, to confront the fact that what their pretend elf does in the pretend world doesn't move an 'ism one way or the other, and we can't have that.

In the sense of "triggered", that's mostly it.  You'll get an opposing, even strong reaction from others that is more reasonable than that, because "OSR" conjures an image in their mind of characters with no name yet dying in the dungeon 10 minutes after play starts--a style that doesn't appeal to them, the same way as if you had suggested in the wrong crowd that their might be something to this Rap/Country/Metal/Opera music thing.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on August 27, 2021, 01:39:04 PM
You'll get an opposing, even strong reaction from others that is more reasonable than that, because "OSR" conjures an image in their mind of characters with no name yet dying in the dungeon 10 minutes after play starts--a style that doesn't appeal to them, the same way as if you had suggested in the wrong crowd that their might be something to this Rap/Country/Metal/Opera music thing.

It compounded by the fact that unlike other niches of the RPG hobbies built on open content like Fate, or niches with thriving third parties community like Savage Worlds, there is no center socially for the OSR. There nobody in the role that Evil Hat in the Fate Community, Paizo has for the Pathfinder/3.5 community, or Pinnacle has for Savage World.

The only center the OSR has is that it originated from several out print editions of Dungeons & Dragons. But that just a starting point, there is no one individual or group of individuals that socially over how one uses the material, in terms of mechanics, tone like Old School Play, adventure style like the dungeon.

As a result there was and continues to be a ever changing kaleidoscope of folks who play, promote, and publish under the OSR banner. So what the OSR for a specific individual depends on what twist of that kaleidoscope one is looking at.

Any post in this or another thread that make a claim about what the OSR is about is wrong. The OSR is only that way for that writer.

Sure there are large groups who share roughly similar interests. And dig into the history of any OSR group, you will find that is a specific individual, or smaller group that has had set the tone and provided some cohesion to their efforts. For that niche they fulfill the same role socially that Paizo, Pinnacle, Evil Hat does.

Even the understanding the dynamics socially and creatively of those group will not help gain an understanding of the OSR. Because of the available of open content, the low barrier created by digital technology, at any time all it take is one individual work for something else to appear.

We have recently seen this with Old School Essentials which has snow-balled since 2018 into its own niche despite everybody thinking the era of the true to original style clones being over. And the rise of OSE doesn't mean that Labyrinth Lord suddenly disappeared as well. Or any number of other OSR works tied to the B/X edition of D&D. Instead it just expanded the OSR as a whole as one more choice in a sea of choices.

The reality is that anytime anybody can pick up the available material and show the rest of us how it being done wrong. They don't have to wait for permission, they don't even have to play nice socially the way a Pathfinder author has to do with Paizo. Mind you I don't recommend folks being a dick about their preferences, but if one is worried about pleasing some other folks to do something within the OSR. it is a needless worry.

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 01:33:39 PM

Quote from: King Tyranno on August 27, 2021, 01:32:16 PMYou are talking about tolerating other people's behavior whilst also advocating for the deaths of other people's harmless behaviour. If you can't see the hypocrisy there you are actually mentally ill. I have nothing more to say to you.

Since when is mass murder via bioterrorism harmless?

You're a troll, but I won't ignore that comment because that mindset leads people into totalitarianism. If the vaccine protects you, get it and leave us alone. If it doesn't, don't force it upon us and leave us alone. It's that simple. We don't want to risk the side effects of vaccines and vaccine surveillance for a disease that is mostly harmless (according to official statistics which count deaths with covid as deaths by covid, and you can't count the asymptomatic or the ones who didn't get tested, so the death rate is evem lower)

Throughout history people got past diseases without vaccines; even diseases like measles were practically insignificant way before they introduced vaccines. Same for smallpox, which had practically disappeared by the time it was "erradicated" through vaccines. That's how we got past the black plague, avian flu, swine flu and the Spanish flu. Not a single vaccine. Did thousands of yearly variants pop up? Nope. Why not? Covid is the only disease for which your immune system doesn't work and the entire world has to stop, even if you have more than 50% or 60% of the population vaccinated and low death counts (UK, US, Israel, Canada). Hell, even the 100% fully vaccinated Comoros is on CDC's red list. Iceland (70% fully vaxxed) is now resorting to natural immunity.


Think about this; places with low vaccination rates like Poland, India, Afghanistan, Venezuela, New Zealand, Alabama, Haiti, South Africa; they don't have a major covid problem. Why? Shouldn't Indians be dropping like flies, since delta started there and they had little to no vaccines and poor infrastructure? Yet they have lower death rates than the US or the UK...

This is the first time all the governments and media of the world mobilize to make sure everyone gets vaccinated; even people who are not at risk and could gain natural immunity. Do they do it out of kindness or is there another agenda?

What is Event 201? What is "gain of function research" and what viruses were they studying? What is ID2020 and quantum dot tattoo? Many coincidences if you ask me.

I know this is off topic but you brought this up and no reasonable person can be silent about this.