Quote from: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 07:26:42 PM

Quote from: jhkim on August 26, 2021, 07:17:59 PM
I stand by my beliefs both online and offline. I am open about my real name and location online, and in the real world, I'll say exactly the same that I say here. I've gotten harassed a few times both online and offline, but never punched or knocked out.

  I can get cancelled for tossing out anything even remotely perceived the wrong way.  I have never seen you say or do a single thing that would warrant an ass whipping.  If you would like my name and address, I will gladly give it to you in a message.  Stop by,  train a bit, enjoy yourself.  But one thing you will see, is I have said not one thing here that I do not say in person, on some subjects, I will be a good deal stronger.  Would you like my name and where should you ever be in my neck of the woods we can discuss such matters in person?

Hi, oggsmash. OK, I've PMed you.

Quote from: jhkim on August 26, 2021, 07:47:45 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 07:26:42 PM

Quote from: jhkim on August 26, 2021, 07:17:59 PM
I stand by my beliefs both online and offline. I am open about my real name and location online, and in the real world, I'll say exactly the same that I say here. I've gotten harassed a few times both online and offline, but never punched or knocked out.

  I can get cancelled for tossing out anything even remotely perceived the wrong way.  I have never seen you say or do a single thing that would warrant an ass whipping.  If you would like my name and address, I will gladly give it to you in a message.  Stop by,  train a bit, enjoy yourself.  But one thing you will see, is I have said not one thing here that I do not say in person, on some subjects, I will be a good deal stronger.  Would you like my name and where should you ever be in my neck of the woods we can discuss such matters in person?

Hi, oggsmash. OK, I've PMed you.

  Returned.  I am also serious, if ever in the area, feel free to come by there.  I would make an appearance to the night crew just for you.  Edited to add:  nothing ominous in that, new people do not do anything that is going to get them hurt, or even really too uncomfortable, they more or less practice stuff on non resistant bodies and movements.  Flat tone of text made me wonder how that is taken.

Quote from: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 07:26:42 PMWould you like my name and where should you ever be in my neck of the woods we can discuss such matters in person?

So he can share it with his AntiFart buddies? Try a little self-preservation. You're being baited.

Quote from: Spinachcat on August 26, 2021, 07:59:43 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 07:26:42 PMWould you like my name and where should you ever be in my neck of the woods we can discuss such matters in person?

So he can share it with his AntiFart buddies? Try a little self-preservation. You're being baited.

  I will be honest, currently I have a nigh immunity to being cancelled, and I really do not think he is that sort.   If antifa types feel looking around for me is a good idea in person, well Darwin does what he does.

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 26, 2021, 02:14:15 PM

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on August 26, 2021, 01:48:07 PMI have less than zero interest in playing with anyone that would even think about demanding that I accommodate their centaur character in my more typical game.

Thankfully for you, such people would not want to get within spitting distance of you let alone play at your table!

Actual people (as in those capable of sapient thought) don't want to play with "conservatives". You may be confusing demands with a litmus test to filter out bigots.

THIS is excellent and we need MORE of this.

Why? We need more segregation in the hobby, and realistically, in every other aspect of life. People have the right to associate with their own and its become abundantly clear that however you define the cultural divide, its imperative that each "side" go its separate way.

Secession isn't just for red states. It's for individuals and groups to separate themselves from those who oppose them.

Quote from: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 08:01:50 PMwell Darwin does what he does.

Indeed, but taqiyya isn't just for Muslims anymore.

Quote from: Spinachcat on August 26, 2021, 08:05:24 PM

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 26, 2021, 02:14:15 PM

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on August 26, 2021, 01:48:07 PMI have less than zero interest in playing with anyone that would even think about demanding that I accommodate their centaur character in my more typical game.

Thankfully for you, such people would not want to get within spitting distance of you let alone play at your table!

Actual people (as in those capable of sapient thought) don't want to play with "conservatives". You may be confusing demands with a litmus test to filter out bigots.

THIS is excellent and we need MORE of this.

Why? We need more segregation in the hobby, and realistically, in every other aspect of life. People have the right to associate with their own and its become abundantly clear that however you define the cultural divide, its imperative that each "side" go its separate way.

Secession isn't just for red states. It's for individuals and groups to separate themselves from those who oppose them.

  I do not know if I agree.  Now, playing with that dude is likely a pass for me, because I think he will let people know who he is.  I guess if a person is constantly going on and on about something socially or politically divisive at a table I would not care to play with them, but I do think people with different political perspectives can interact together in a hobby and likely see one another as people and not "others".   I guess putting out fliers telling any potential players what you are looking to match with could work, but I would be more concerned about what people would show up from a flier like that.

Quote from: Spinachcat on August 26, 2021, 08:09:36 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 08:01:50 PMwell Darwin does what he does.

Indeed, but taqiyya isn't just for Muslims anymore.

  Like I said, I see things from a different perspective, but I also see his behavior has been fairly consistent.  I can say I trust him not to do a thing like that. 

Quote from: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 08:12:04 PMbut I do think people with different political perspectives can interact together in a hobby and likely see one another as people and not "others".   

Either your bong is packed with the good stuff, or you're the spiritual incarnation of Roy Rogers, or you're posting from 2015.

As for jhkim, I would not judge his online persona solely on his posts here. Plenty of other posts in other places that might be of interest. And easy to find too since he is safely on the proper side of censorship and can boast of his "bravery" in proclaiming his "real name". 

Quote from: Spinachcat on August 26, 2021, 08:33:06 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 08:12:04 PMbut I do think people with different political perspectives can interact together in a hobby and likely see one another as people and not "others".   

Either your bong is packed with the good stuff, or you're the spiritual incarnation of Roy Rogers, or you're posting from 2015.

As for jhkim, I would not judge his online persona solely on his posts here. Plenty of other posts in other places that might be of interest. And easy to find too since he is safely on the proper side of censorship and can boast of his "bravery" in proclaiming his "real name".

  I am pretty tired, and I did sweat a lot today, so maybe you are right.    As for bravery, you may be right.  But, if someone were to do something that might affect/threaten my wife or kids in some way, censorship would be the least of such a person's worries.

  But I do still think maybe having people engage in an activity together is the best way to break down some hardening that politics might have caused.  I think a good deal of the hardening has come in a degree from interaction online.   I engaged in activities that were in large part politically split, and for the most part we do not discuss politics, and people respect one another due to how we act during that activity.

Quote from: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 08:59:16 PM
  But I do still think maybe having people engage in an activity together is the best way to break down some hardening that politics might have caused.  I think a good deal of the hardening has come in a degree from interaction online.   I engaged in activities that were in large part politically split, and for the most part we do not discuss politics, and people respect one another due to how we act during that activity.

Agreed.

Quote from: jhkim on August 26, 2021, 07:17:59 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 04:18:14 PM
  I have no doubt you are a laugh a second at parties.  I also think this medium is best suited for people like you to say the things they say.  Just stay keep it online, so that you manage to keep all your choppers where they belong.  I would hate to hear about some conservative type KTFO'ing you.

Quote from: SHARK on August 26, 2021, 04:28:15 PM
*Laughing* Yeah, my friend! I have seen numerous videos where Liberal morons were running their mouth at Conservatives, just like Rhedyn does, and the Liberal pussy gets fucking beat down and often knocked the fuck out with one punch! Fucking hilarious! And then listening to the Liberal pussies sobbing like bitches as blood runs down their faces!

THAT'S what happens when you run your Liberal Cunt mouth in the real world!

Quote from: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 05:56:43 PMI do not see many people getting KTFO'd for offensiveness.  They usually cross a line making some sort of threat or other, and where I live, if accompanied by a bit of animated posturing, the police are going to tell you too damn bad when you attempt to report your session of tooth loss to them.   So sure, chant what you like, say what you want, but...there are such things as fighting words, and many states cover it in their laws.  So I guess it depends on where you live on how much you can reel out checks from your mouth before someone decides to cash one.   Libelous I am pretty sure counts as fighting words, so call people racist if you like.  Just make sure to check your zip code first.

SHARK and oggsmash -- it seems particularly ironic to talk about the cowardliness of online talk when you're talking anonymously online. I suspect that offline, you don't talk the way you talk here -- and you'd be afraid to have how you speak revealed.

I stand by my beliefs both online and offline. I am open about my real name and location online, and in the real world, I'll say exactly the same that I say here. I've gotten harassed a few times both online and offline, but never punched or knocked out.

Greetings!

Well, Jhkim, I am not some "Community Activist" or Demagogue that travels around the country vagabond-style looking for photo-ops and other opportunities to place themselves in some kind of dramatic spotlight or confrontation. Having said that, I have also never been shy about voicing my opinions in public, whether at the university, at the local bar or grill, at church, outside an abortion clinic, or on a streetcorner. My positions are quite consistent, whether online or in the real world.

I'm not concerned with what some pussy Liberals think or might think they can attempt face to face. I live in an area almost entirely populated by heavily-armed Conservative Trump supporters. Veterans, policemen, tradesmen, farmers. All church-going Christians. People here are generous, polite, and respectful. I have a Glock 45 pistol for anyone who wants to get in my face, like many of my neighbors and fellow citizens here.

Unlike the rabid, rainbow hippy Liberal pigs that live in tyrannical Blue-areas, most people around me are very much in agreement with my views. There are good reasons why ANTIFA and BLM stayed the fuck in Oregon.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 08:59:16 PM
  But I do still think maybe having people engage in an activity together is the best way to break down some hardening that politics might have caused.  I think a good deal of the hardening has come in a degree from interaction online.   I engaged in activities that were in large part politically split, and for the most part we do not discuss politics, and people respect one another due to how we act during that activity.

Sure.  I'm fine with that as long as everyone involved is willing to play it that way.  I'm not fine with it when one or two of them decide that their views are so obviously correct and inarguable that they can just spout them out anytime they feel, get 100% agreement, as if they were talking about the weather or where the sun came up this morning.  There has to be enough self-awareness of the participants to make that work--dare I say even some minimum maturity, manners, and thought?

This is why I don't want to talk politics during the game even when I know that every single person at the table agrees with me entirely.  Maybe before or after when doing a long session, because the whole aspect of "the game" is a social gathering too, and like-minded people need a way to vent.  Once play starts, I'm there to set all that aside, not dig into it.  And the circle I'm in that might do that before or after has the self-awareness to shut that down entirely when someone new comes into the group.

I know some people who have retained this ability despite being very far left in their politics.  We aren't the best of friends, but we respect each other because we know when to put the focus on whatever is at hand.  One of them has an interest in gaming and has a long-standing invite to one of my games.  Covid and other aspects of life keeps pushing that back, but the invite stands.  Because I know this person is about as far away from "asshole" as a person can get.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on August 27, 2021, 08:02:11 AM

Quote from: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 08:59:16 PM
  But I do still think maybe having people engage in an activity together is the best way to break down some hardening that politics might have caused.  I think a good deal of the hardening has come in a degree from interaction online.   I engaged in activities that were in large part politically split, and for the most part we do not discuss politics, and people respect one another due to how we act during that activity.

Sure.  I'm fine with that as long as everyone involved is willing to play it that way.  I'm not fine with it when one or two of them decide that their views are so obviously correct and inarguable that they can just spout them out anytime they feel, get 100% agreement, as if they were talking about the weather or where the sun came up this morning.  There has to be enough self-awareness of the participants to make that work--dare I say even some minimum maturity, manners, and thought?

This is why I don't want to talk politics during the game even when I know that every single person at the table agrees with me entirely.  Maybe before or after when doing a long session, because the whole aspect of "the game" is a social gathering too, and like-minded people need a way to vent.  Once play starts, I'm there to set all that aside, not dig into it.  And the circle I'm in that might do that before or after has the self-awareness to shut that down entirely when someone new comes into the group.

I know some people who have retained this ability despite being very far left in their politics.  We aren't the best of friends, but we respect each other because we know when to put the focus on whatever is at hand.  One of them has an interest in gaming and has a long-standing invite to one of my games.  Covid and other aspects of life keeps pushing that back, but the invite stands.  Because I know this person is about as far away from "asshole" as a person can get.

  I agree 100 percent here, I am a bit curious as to what sort of people are so political all the time, they are political at a game table.   Sure some recent news event might come up, but it seems there is a tone from some people that a view you vent on a forum is something you walk around just waiting to spout off to anyone who might be offended by it at all times.  Spurg out behavior is not welcomed anywhere, at any time that I have seen.  If someone is sperging out non stop, they just will not be included in any group of any activity I engage in.