Quote from: FingerRod on April 12, 2023, 07:27:22 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 12, 2023, 01:44:05 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 12, 2023, 12:38:12 PM

Both are correct, he's giving you the total (domestic + international) you have only the domestic.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Dungeons-and-Dragons-Honor-Among-Thieves-(2023)#tab=summary

OK, I stand corrected.  Still has a bit to go before it reaches break even.

No, it doesn't. It is less than 30 million from budget. The people claiming 400 million are pulling that number out of their ass. Yet while they are reaching into their gaping brown button, they refuse to reach further to make allowances for merchandise, digital sales, etc.

This leads one to the obvious conclusion that this is more about hatred of Hasbro than anything else.

This movie has been objectively well-received by the people who have seen it. Period. It is not a flop.

And I fucking hate WotC and Hasbro and Jeremy Crawford, and all of their bullshit. I'd service your little ninja in the Macy's window display on Christmas Eve before I'd buy another product with Crawford's name on it.

But I have made a living off of calling balls and strikes. And I won't be blinded by that hatred. This is a good movie and a good time.

Nope, we're not pulling numbers out of our arses:

Production budget + Marketing budget - Theater cut = Number to break even.

In this case 150 million for production, the standard is about 50% that for marketing so 75 million, = 225 million total budget.

That means 450 million to break even because theatrical cut is 50% of box office (at first, the longer it stays the bigger their cut IIRC), except in China where their cut is 75%. So, depending on how much of your box office total is China you could need way more than double your total budget (production + marketing).

Many often use 3 times the total budget because the theater cut increases over time. Screenrant (hardly a rightwing rag) uses 2.5 times it's production budget to allow for marketing AND distribution. https://screenrant.com/how-much-dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves-cost-to-make/

So 150 times 2.5 = 375 million dollars. Which is way closer to my estimate than to yours.

Edited to add:

It has nothing to do with any "hatred", I have stated that critics I trust have said it was a fun and non-woke movie.

Quote from: FingerRod on April 12, 2023, 07:12:26 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on April 12, 2023, 02:56:27 AM

Quote from: FingerRod on April 11, 2023, 09:16:28 PMHaha, that made me laugh.

You took your family to see it, and you're going to buy it on digital. So you're easily dropping $100 total on something with a quality of "to have on in the background while prepping."

And you don't think that's being a mindless consoomer, that will lap up any grey sludge a corporation pinches out?

No, I thought you were being funny and we were having a jest. I originally took it as good humor. Benefit of the doubt and all. Lesson learned.

I will commonly put on something in the background while reading or prepping. It was entertaining. So it would make my library. I also watch Goonies and Interstellar and tons of other films in the background while prepping.

I'm not judging you as a person, please don't think that.

Dropping $100 for something that is at best blandly entertaining, which benefits a company that regularly craps all over everyone that frequents this site, is equal parts mystifying and annoying to me though.

I'm not trying to tell you how you should spend your money even, I'm sure you work hard for it, and you can damn well make your own decisions on spending. Especially as you sound like casual spending isn't an issue for you.

What I'm actually trying to do is encourage you to choose not to feed money in to the machine that hates everything about you. You can, it's your right, but it's a bad play. If people who hate you, create a masterpiece, that's one thing, but for a popcorn flick?

Quote from: SHARK on April 12, 2023, 08:00:51 PM

Quote from: FingerRod on April 12, 2023, 07:27:22 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 12, 2023, 01:44:05 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 12, 2023, 12:38:12 PM

Both are correct, he's giving you the total (domestic + international) you have only the domestic.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Dungeons-and-Dragons-Honor-Among-Thieves-(2023)#tab=summary

OK, I stand corrected.  Still has a bit to go before it reaches break even.

No, it doesn't. It is less than 30 million from budget. The people claiming 400 million are pulling that number out of their ass. Yet while they are reaching into their gaping brown button, they refuse to reach further to make allowances for merchandise, digital sales, etc.

This leads one to the obvious conclusion that this is more about hatred of Hasbro than anything else.

This movie has been objectively well-received by the people who have seen it. Period. It is not a flop.

And I fucking hate WotC and Hasbro and Jeremy Crawford, and all of their bullshit. I'd service your little ninja in the Macy's window display on Christmas Eve before I'd buy another product with Crawford's name on it.

But I have made a living off of calling balls and strikes. And I won't be blinded by that hatred. This is a good movie and a good time.

Greetings!

Imagining you performing in Macy's Christmas display window! Fucking hilarious! I know that you despise WOTC and the degenerate clowns like Jeremy Crawford. I understand that you enjoyed the film. That's ok, my friend!

I have friends that somehow like Broccoli, or even terrible abominations like "Hawaiian" style pizza. I forgive them for their heresy of even believing that "Hawaiian" style "pizza" is somehow actually pizza. It is a heresy that needs to be denounced everywhere. Call it something else, but it is not traditional Italian-style pizza.

Just like with Broccoli, or "Hawaiian" pizza, I must reject the movie. I shall not see it. Yes, yes, even if I must be like an Old Testament Prophet, or a crazed monk wearing nothing but a Goat-fur tunic, preaching out in the desert wilderness!

Repent! Repent from thy sins!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

And you rock, sir, we would be fast friends irl. And a top five thing in this hobby would be for me to play in one of your games.

Quote from: Grognard GM on April 12, 2023, 09:08:34 PM

Quote from: FingerRod on April 12, 2023, 07:12:26 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on April 12, 2023, 02:56:27 AM

Quote from: FingerRod on April 11, 2023, 09:16:28 PMHaha, that made me laugh.

You took your family to see it, and you're going to buy it on digital. So you're easily dropping $100 total on something with a quality of "to have on in the background while prepping."

And you don't think that's being a mindless consoomer, that will lap up any grey sludge a corporation pinches out?

No, I thought you were being funny and we were having a jest. I originally took it as good humor. Benefit of the doubt and all. Lesson learned.

I will commonly put on something in the background while reading or prepping. It was entertaining. So it would make my library. I also watch Goonies and Interstellar and tons of other films in the background while prepping.

I'm not judging you as a person, please don't think that.

Dropping $100 for something that is at best blandly entertaining, which benefits a company that regularly craps all over everyone that frequents this site, is equal parts mystifying and annoying to me though.

I'm not trying to tell you how you should spend your money even, I'm sure you work hard for it, and you can damn well make your own decisions on spending. Especially as you sound like casual spending isn't an issue for you.

What I'm actually trying to do is encourage you to choose not to feed money in to the machine that hates everything about you. You can, it's your right, but it's a bad play. If people who hate you, create a masterpiece, that's one thing, but for a popcorn flick?

Good, and I get it. And your post brings me back to what I originally assumed. Thank you.

My thing is this. I love this hobby, warts and all. I raised my kids in a TTRPG environment. I converted my wife, naturally, into loving this hobby too.

Over 10+ years I've watched my son go from just learning the hobby to leading his middle school D&D club to sitting next to me, howling with nerdy laughter at a legitimately good movie.

This fall he goes off to college with an academic ride at a school that doesn't racially profile or ask for pronouns. I couldn't be prouder of the skinny, nerdy man he has become.

So while I paid $50 bucks, half of which will go to a company that hates me, I have the memory that will last me forever, and I will not be sending a dime to an Ivy League school.

Trust me, I am way ahead. If we don't pick and choose, we couldn't function in society. Amazon is woke as fuck. So imagine avoiding any site that AWS hosts. You will drive yourself mad.

So yes, I will give the $100 but not the $150,000. And I will get to keep that memory forever.

Here is a clip from the movie (spoilers) with a fun (for me) cameo:

https://youtu.be/DrAfMjQLSJM

Quote from: cavalier973 on April 12, 2023, 09:56:59 PM
Here is a clip from the movie (spoilers) with a fun (for me) cameo:

https://youtu.be/DrAfMjQLSJM

If only the movie had the main cast eaten, and switched to the kids saving the day. Although I'm sure they'd make Hank a doofus, and have Diana as the leader.

Well, this film performed weaker in its second week than I had initially predicted. I had thought it was on track to break even, but it now looks like that isn't the case. Maybe Super Mario is to blame for that, or maybe the generally positive reviews didn't do enough to sway people who feel betrayed by these weirdoes and their cringy marketing tactics. Whatever the reason, it does seem DnD HaT will be a technical flop.

Personally, I don't care since I was never going to give my money to Hasbro anyway (fyi -Entertainment One, who shouldered most of the budget costs, is a subsidiary of Hasbro). However, I WILL watch this film through alternative means one of these days, since the clips I've seen look very entertaining and evoke a sense of "familiarity" from my own play experiences. Just because you want to boycott the movie, that doesn't automatically make it a "bad" film. Making such a claim is just another form of virtue signalling.

Quote from: Effete on April 13, 2023, 12:13:06 AM
Well, this film performed weaker in its second week than I had initially predicted. I had thought it was on track to break even, but it now looks like that isn't the case. Maybe Super Mario is to blame for that, or maybe the generally positive reviews didn't do enough to sway people who feel betrayed by these weirdoes and their cringy marketing tactics. Whatever the reason, it does seem DnD HaT will be a technical flop.

Personally, I don't care since I was never going to give my money to Hasbro anyway (fyi -Entertainment One, who shouldered most of the budget costs, is a subsidiary of Hasbro). However, I WILL watch this film through alternative means one of these days, since the clips I've seen look very entertaining and evoke a sense of "familiarity" from my own play experiences. Just because you want to boycott the movie, that doesn't automatically make it a "bad" film. Making such a claim is just another form of virtue signalling.

MY DM and one of the players of the AD&D2e campaign have seen it and they both say it was fun and evocative of the game, and the humor landed.

So I guess I'll also see it through alternative means.

Quote from: Grognard GM on April 12, 2023, 11:42:41 PM

Quote from: cavalier973 on April 12, 2023, 09:56:59 PM
Here is a clip from the movie (spoilers) with a fun (for me) cameo:

https://youtu.be/DrAfMjQLSJM

If only the movie had the main cast eaten, and switched to the kids saving the day. Although I'm sure they'd make Hank a doofus, and have Diana as the leader.

I foresee a new "How It Should Have Ended" video.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 12, 2023, 03:09:36 PM
The shakeup was during the plandemic, not true anymore.

https://screenrant.com/box-office-metric-success-2023-pandemic/ says the shakeup still isn't over; do you have evidence otherwise?

Of course

QuoteThe 2023 award season could prove that streaming is the best metric to measure a movie's success, following the box office's pandemic collapse.

and the rest of the article may be measuring "success" without actually digging into finances - if something is a massive hit on Netflix post-theatres, how much $$ do the producers get from Big Red N?

Quote from: Naburimannu on April 13, 2023, 03:53:58 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 12, 2023, 03:09:36 PM
The shakeup was during the plandemic, not true anymore.

https://screenrant.com/box-office-metric-success-2023-pandemic/ says the shakeup still isn't over; do you have evidence otherwise?

Of course

QuoteThe 2023 award season could prove that streaming is the best metric to measure a movie's success, following the box office's pandemic collapse.

and the rest of the article may be measuring "success" without actually digging into finances - if something is a massive hit on Netflix post-theatres, how much $$ do the producers get from Big Red N?

You mean besides the last Spider-Man movie, Avatar the way of water, Top Gun: Maverick, Super Mario Bros? It's a funny thing this shakeup, it only affects the movies the leftards want to protect...

Oh, yes, streaming, where there's no fucking way to know exactly how much people saw anything...

You're too used to talking with intellectual midgets in the leftard circles, come back when you can use logic and facts and not sophistry.

Quote from: Naburimannu on April 13, 2023, 03:53:58 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 12, 2023, 03:09:36 PM
The shakeup was during the plandemic, not true anymore.

https://screenrant.com/box-office-metric-success-2023-pandemic/ says the shakeup still isn't over; do you have evidence otherwise?

Of course

QuoteThe 2023 award season could prove that streaming is the best metric to measure a movie's success, following the box office's pandemic collapse.

and the rest of the article may be measuring "success" without actually digging into finances - if something is a massive hit on Netflix post-theatres, how much $$ do the producers get from Big Red N?

From what ive been told streaming doesnt really get that much money to the studios. Though the stuff ived seen was for anime studios and explaining why they care so much about blu-ray sales so take that with a pinch of salt.

Quote from: FingerRod on April 12, 2023, 09:31:50 PM

Quote from: SHARK on April 12, 2023, 08:00:51 PM

Quote from: FingerRod on April 12, 2023, 07:27:22 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 12, 2023, 01:44:05 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 12, 2023, 12:38:12 PM

Both are correct, he's giving you the total (domestic + international) you have only the domestic.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Dungeons-and-Dragons-Honor-Among-Thieves-(2023)#tab=summary

OK, I stand corrected.  Still has a bit to go before it reaches break even.

No, it doesn't. It is less than 30 million from budget. The people claiming 400 million are pulling that number out of their ass. Yet while they are reaching into their gaping brown button, they refuse to reach further to make allowances for merchandise, digital sales, etc.

This leads one to the obvious conclusion that this is more about hatred of Hasbro than anything else.

This movie has been objectively well-received by the people who have seen it. Period. It is not a flop.

And I fucking hate WotC and Hasbro and Jeremy Crawford, and all of their bullshit. I'd service your little ninja in the Macy's window display on Christmas Eve before I'd buy another product with Crawford's name on it.

But I have made a living off of calling balls and strikes. And I won't be blinded by that hatred. This is a good movie and a good time.

Greetings!

Imagining you performing in Macy's Christmas display window! Fucking hilarious! I know that you despise WOTC and the degenerate clowns like Jeremy Crawford. I understand that you enjoyed the film. That's ok, my friend!

I have friends that somehow like Broccoli, or even terrible abominations like "Hawaiian" style pizza. I forgive them for their heresy of even believing that "Hawaiian" style "pizza" is somehow actually pizza. It is a heresy that needs to be denounced everywhere. Call it something else, but it is not traditional Italian-style pizza.

Just like with Broccoli, or "Hawaiian" pizza, I must reject the movie. I shall not see it. Yes, yes, even if I must be like an Old Testament Prophet, or a crazed monk wearing nothing but a Goat-fur tunic, preaching out in the desert wilderness!

Repent! Repent from thy sins!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

And you rock, sir, we would be fast friends irl. And a top five thing in this hobby would be for me to play in one of your games.

Greetings!

That would be awesome, FingerRod!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Naburimannu on April 13, 2023, 03:53:58 AMand the rest of the article may be measuring "success" without actually digging into finances - if something is a massive hit on Netflix post-theatres, how much $$ do the producers get from Big Red N?

The show Nailed It was a major success for Netflix because it got huge viewership numbers and cost almost nothing. Yet nobody was signing up for Netflix because the latest season of Nailed It just dropped. So while Netflix uses (or at least used to use) the metric of dividing the cost of the show by the number of views (i.e the cost per view model) to determine if a show was worth it, that is completely separated from the actual source of income the streaming service needs, which is new subscribers.

While Netflix can evaluate shows on a cost per view basis, and pay accordingly, this doesn't actually help big budget movies as their cost per view is being compared to super cheap shows like Nailed It. And a movie that performs poorly at the box office doesn't have any leverage to negotiate a higher rate based on the idea that it will attract new subscribers.

Of course, the D&D movie was released by Paramount so it has probably already negotiated it's streaming deal on Paramount+ anyway.

My wife and I saw the film last night. She's not a gamer, and enjoyed it more than I did. But it was fine. Not great, but fine.

It was a quip filled, CGI bloated, Marvel style action comedy. If that's not to your taste, you'll hate it. Unfortunately that's Hollywood's formula du jour, irrespective of D&D, WotC, Hasbro, wokeism, racism, OGL, yadda, yadda...

I think the film suffered from trying to be *too* D&D. It was so full of game references, Forgotten Realms lore, and easter eggs that I found it distracting. I think it would have benefitted from having less focus on lore and CGI content from the game and more focus on character and plot development. It might have been both a better and cheaper film for it.

Pine, Grant, and especially Rodriguez were good. The rest of the cast were good enough for what the script gave them, which was not a lot.

Will it be getting the "30th anniversary of..." treatment like Princess Bride?   No.
Will it be on my list of B movies I watch every few years for the nostalgia feels like Sword and the Sorcerer?    No.
When it ultimately is streaming for free on some service I already subscribe to, would I watch it again?    Maybe.
If they made a sequel, would I go see it?    Maybe.

In my opinion the film is worth neither the praise nor the criticism that it's received. The things that are "wrong" with it are wrong with 90% of genre movies these days. It was worth the price of admission, once. No more, no less.