Quote from: Grognard GM on April 12, 2023, 01:31:00 PM

Quote from: jhkim on April 12, 2023, 01:23:51 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on April 12, 2023, 12:53:54 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 12, 2023, 12:38:12 PM
Both are correct, he's giving you the total (domestic + international) you have only the domestic.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Dungeons-and-Dragons-Honor-Among-Thieves-(2023)#tab=summary

In other words they've made $125 million, and probably have to make another $335 million just to break even.

True, but also note that movie theater tickets are only part of potential profits from a movie. Streaming deals, VOD, merchandising, and others also make a lot of money. Given that Honor Among Thieves is a marketing tie-in movie, merchandising and effect on the D&D brand is particularly important. It's hard to know how much money a movie makes overall.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/093015/how-exactly-do-movies-make-money.asp

Sure, so when the movie finishes at maybe 160 million, netting them $80 mil, they just need to make twice that from tie-ins, and they'll be sitting pretty on a tidy break-even. Truly a success story in the making.

Make twice that NET, meaning after expenses, taxes, etc.

If they sold the rights to some merch they already got their money, and I doubt it's near 160 million NET.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 12, 2023, 12:38:12 PM

Both are correct, he's giving you the total (domestic + international) you have only the domestic.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Dungeons-and-Dragons-Honor-Among-Thieves-(2023)#tab=summary

OK, I stand corrected.  Still has a bit to go before it reaches break even.

The worst part is that it really isn't a bad movie. I mean, it's no Casablanca -- I give it a B average. But considering some of the tripe peddled, I have seen oh so much worse.

But because WotC and Hasbro are run by phenomenal idiots, they managed to hack off the demographic -- gamers -- that would've gone back to see it again and again.

I mean, nobody mistook Mortal Kombat for high cinema, but at least Midway didn't go out of its way prior to film release to piss people off.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 12, 2023, 01:52:45 PM
I mean, nobody mistook Mortal Kombat for high cinema, but at least Midway didn't go out of its way prior to film release to piss people off.

Are you joking? Mortal Kombat should have won Oscars!!!!

Kidding. 

Saw both in the theater.  Would have been better to just set my money on fire instead.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 12, 2023, 01:52:45 PMI mean, nobody mistook Mortal Kombat for high cinema, but at least Midway didn't go out of its way prior to film release to piss people off.

Are you talking about the forgettable garbage released a year or two ago, or the 'this movie is wwaaayyy better than it has any right to be' fun-fest from the 90's?

Quote from: Grognard GM on April 12, 2023, 02:00:35 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 12, 2023, 01:52:45 PMI mean, nobody mistook Mortal Kombat for high cinema, but at least Midway didn't go out of its way prior to film release to piss people off.

Are you talking about the forgettable garbage released a year or two ago, or the 'this movie is wwaaayyy better than it has any right to be' fun-fest from the 90's?

The 90's movies.  Sorry, I forgot they remade them and did origin story movies.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 12, 2023, 01:40:54 PM

Quote from: jhkim on April 12, 2023, 01:23:51 PM
True, but also note that movie theater tickets are only part of potential profits from a movie. Streaming deals, VOD, merchandising, and others also make a lot of money. Given that Honor Among Thieves is a marketing tie-in movie, merchandising and effect on the D&D brand is particularly important. It's hard to know how much money a movie makes overall.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/093015/how-exactly-do-movies-make-money.asp

True, but note that we have ALWAYS measured a movie's success by what they make in theaters, the rest follows from that, the more people liked the movie the more people who will buy the physical media/rent it on streaming, buy the merch, etc.

I would broadly agree, though there's been a lot of shake-up of assumptions because of the changing streaming markets in the last two years.

To be clear - whether a film makes money has nothing to do with my opinion of it. I don't think that my tastes in either movies or gaming reflect worldwide audience preferences. Two of the biggest moneymakers of 2022 were Avatar: The Way of Water and Jurassic World Dominion, neither of which I have any interest in. There are movies that I love that flop, and movies I hate that make a ton of money.

I will neither "watch for free" nor pay to see this movie, the circle has come around again and it is time for D&D to fall, again, and WoTC to fall as TSR did.

Quote from: jhkim on April 12, 2023, 02:43:34 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 12, 2023, 01:40:54 PM

Quote from: jhkim on April 12, 2023, 01:23:51 PM
True, but also note that movie theater tickets are only part of potential profits from a movie. Streaming deals, VOD, merchandising, and others also make a lot of money. Given that Honor Among Thieves is a marketing tie-in movie, merchandising and effect on the D&D brand is particularly important. It's hard to know how much money a movie makes overall.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/093015/how-exactly-do-movies-make-money.asp

True, but note that we have ALWAYS measured a movie's success by what they make in theaters, the rest follows from that, the more people liked the movie the more people who will buy the physical media/rent it on streaming, buy the merch, etc.

I would broadly agree, though there's been a lot of shake-up of assumptions because of the changing streaming markets in the last two years.

To be clear - whether a film makes money has nothing to do with my opinion of it. I don't think that my tastes in either movies or gaming reflect worldwide audience preferences. Two of the biggest moneymakers of 2022 were Avatar: The Way of Water and Jurassic World Dominion, neither of which I have any interest in. There are movies that I love that flop, and movies I hate that make a ton of money.

The shakeup was during the plandemic, not true anymore.

Agreed, the quality of a movie has exactly ZERO to do with it making money, especially with regards to Avatar and Jurassic World.

But we were talking about HaT making money in the box office, it doesn't look likely. Hopefully this signals the beginning of the end for GWotKKK.

Quote from: Banjo Destructo on April 12, 2023, 02:59:15 PM
I will neither "watch for free" nor pay to see this movie, the circle has come around again and it is time for D&D to fall, again, and WoTC to fall as TSR did.

Seconded, thirded, forthed, fifthed and sixed.

In English, I agree with your statement. 

Quote from: Grognard GM on April 12, 2023, 02:00:35 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 12, 2023, 01:52:45 PMI mean, nobody mistook Mortal Kombat for high cinema, but at least Midway didn't go out of its way prior to film release to piss people off.

Are you talking about the forgettable garbage released a year or two ago, or the 'this movie is wwaaayyy better than it has any right to be' fun-fest from the 90's?

Sorry, the 90's one. I should've specified.

(To be honest, I completely forgot about the recent remake, which should tell you something.)

My kid wanted to see it, and I haven't seen a fantasy film in theatres since LOTR, so it met the expectations I had built up to seeing it.  The plot-running trick with the staff and the thing was the highlight of the film.  That reminded me of a classic D&D session.  They needed more of that in the film.

The film represented WotC's modern interpretation of D&D perfectly: it's a bit fantasy kitchen-sink bland but fine.  I didn't take it seriously enough to consider it had enough merit for a break-down dissertation to the level Gillespie's video critique gave it.

It's so far off the neo-medieval scale it's gone, but that's well within WotC's range of what product they churn out these days.  Why would anyone be shocked by them sticking true to form?

Quote from: Grognard GM on April 12, 2023, 02:56:27 AM

Quote from: FingerRod on April 11, 2023, 09:16:28 PMHaha, that made me laugh.

You took your family to see it, and you're going to buy it on digital. So you're easily dropping $100 total on something with a quality of "to have on in the background while prepping."

And you don't think that's being a mindless consoomer, that will lap up any grey sludge a corporation pinches out?

No, I thought you were being funny and we were having a jest. I originally took it as good humor. Benefit of the doubt and all. Lesson learned.

I will commonly put on something in the background while reading or prepping. It was entertaining. So it would make my library. I also watch Goonies and Interstellar and tons of other films in the background while prepping.

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 12, 2023, 01:44:05 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 12, 2023, 12:38:12 PM

Both are correct, he's giving you the total (domestic + international) you have only the domestic.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Dungeons-and-Dragons-Honor-Among-Thieves-(2023)#tab=summary

OK, I stand corrected.  Still has a bit to go before it reaches break even.

No, it doesn't. It is less than 30 million from budget. The people claiming 400 million are pulling that number out of their ass. Yet while they are reaching into their gaping brown button, they refuse to reach further to make allowances for merchandise, digital sales, etc.

This leads one to the obvious conclusion that this is more about hatred of Hasbro than anything else.

This movie has been objectively well-received by the people who have seen it. Period. It is not a flop.

And I fucking hate WotC and Hasbro and Jeremy Crawford, and all of their bullshit. I'd service your little ninja in the Macy's window display on Christmas Eve before I'd buy another product with Crawford's name on it.

But I have made a living off of calling balls and strikes. And I won't be blinded by that hatred. This is a good movie and a good time.

Quote from: FingerRod on April 12, 2023, 07:27:22 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 12, 2023, 01:44:05 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 12, 2023, 12:38:12 PM

Both are correct, he's giving you the total (domestic + international) you have only the domestic.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Dungeons-and-Dragons-Honor-Among-Thieves-(2023)#tab=summary

OK, I stand corrected.  Still has a bit to go before it reaches break even.

No, it doesn't. It is less than 30 million from budget. The people claiming 400 million are pulling that number out of their ass. Yet while they are reaching into their gaping brown button, they refuse to reach further to make allowances for merchandise, digital sales, etc.

This leads one to the obvious conclusion that this is more about hatred of Hasbro than anything else.

This movie has been objectively well-received by the people who have seen it. Period. It is not a flop.

And I fucking hate WotC and Hasbro and Jeremy Crawford, and all of their bullshit. I'd service your little ninja in the Macy's window display on Christmas Eve before I'd buy another product with Crawford's name on it.

But I have made a living off of calling balls and strikes. And I won't be blinded by that hatred. This is a good movie and a good time.

Greetings!

Imagining you performing in Macy's Christmas display window! Fucking hilarious! I know that you despise WOTC and the degenerate clowns like Jeremy Crawford. I understand that you enjoyed the film. That's ok, my friend!

I have friends that somehow like Broccoli, or even terrible abominations like "Hawaiian" style pizza. I forgive them for their heresy of even believing that "Hawaiian" style "pizza" is somehow actually pizza. It is a heresy that needs to be denounced everywhere. Call it something else, but it is not traditional Italian-style pizza.

Just like with Broccoli, or "Hawaiian" pizza, I must reject the movie. I shall not see it. Yes, yes, even if I must be like an Old Testament Prophet, or a crazed monk wearing nothing but a Goat-fur tunic, preaching out in the desert wilderness!

Repent! Repent from thy sins!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK