Well with such glowing praise now I HAVE to go see it!

Who to believe...nerds on the internet with axe to grind or bots creating fake, positive reviews. This is a hard one.

Quote from: FingerRod on April 11, 2023, 09:41:56 PMBut sitting at 125 million less than two weeks from release and, yes, it will make money. No amount of hope or putting your head in the sand will deny it. It is doing really well in China. Post digital sales, etc. Stop it.

Do you not realize that the movie studio only gets about half of the money paid for tickets (and only a fourth of the total from China)? The other half goes to the theater. So this movie would need to collect $300 million just to cover the budget.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on April 11, 2023, 09:28:58 PM

Quote from: FingerRod on April 10, 2023, 09:42:36 PM90/94 Rotten Tomatoes, haters

90+% Critic score, 90+% User score, and an A- on Cinema Score. Yet the movie is tanking and set to lose somewhere around $50 million.

There's gotta be some reason why people aren't interested in seeing it. Maybe it's the fact that everything about it looks safe, bland, and corporate.

Maybe it's tanking because it's sandwiched between John Wick and Mario, the first appeals more to the men who want an action flick and the second to families, plus it's PG13 (because I bet there's lots of cussing, Hollyweird loves to cuss).

As for it being woke, no, I have seen reviews by people on OUR side of the culture war say it's not, people I trust enough to take their critics seriously. But they had to go open their mouth about emasculating the male leads...

Is it a good movie? That's subjective but the same people have said it's a little above meh.

It could also be suffering from GWotKKK alienating the grognards and the new players with their OGL BS.

It could also be suffering from not being GoT or from the fiasco of Rings of Power.

Or it could be a little of all of the above.

Quote from: FingerRod on April 11, 2023, 09:16:28 PMHaha, that made me laugh.

You took your family to see it, and you're going to buy it on digital. So you're easily dropping $100 total on something with a quality of "to have on in the background while prepping."

And you don't think that's being a mindless consoomer, that will lap up any grey sludge a corporation pinches out?

It really doesn't feel woke by 2020-23 standards. What it does feel like is 5e D&D ca 2015, before WoTC went Full Retard. If you think the 5e PHB is Woke then I guess this film is, too. It has the Current Year 'random human races' thing in the casting. Although they filmed in Northern Ireland, so nearly all the background extras are white.  The biggest fail IMO is that the world does not look lived-in at all. I agree with Gillespie re the Ren Faire look. I also thought the magic maze arena felt too high magic/too CGI, and also stupid, since it concealed most of the action from the audience.

My impression is that box office performance is mediocre considering budget & heavy advertising, it may break even but looks unlikely to make a lot of profit. It should do well enough for a D&D TV show, but likely not a D&D film franchise.

Yeah the claims the director/writers made were just outrage marketing.

WotC will not get another dime of my money, but I will watch the movie.

Not in a theater, probably at home on whatever streaming service is currently eating my paycheck. That way I can drink and then blame it on the alcohol.

Quote from: Omega on April 12, 2023, 05:57:16 AM
Yeah the claims the director/writers made were just outrage marketing.

  Or pandering to the Elite Right-Thinkers, or both. I think it boomeranged on them, though.

Quote from: jeff37923 on April 12, 2023, 06:24:27 AM
WotC will not get another dime of my money, but I will watch the movie.

Not in a theater, probably at home on whatever streaming service is currently eating my paycheck. That way I can drink and then blame it on the alcohol.

Same for me.  Though from what I saw in the trailers I don't have high hopes for it.  Looks really campy. 

Quote from: FingerRod on April 11, 2023, 09:41:56 PM
But then, as Geeky pointed out, Mario happened last week. Number one animated release ever. That certainly cut into the second weekend opportunity. But sitting at 125 million less than two weeks from release and, yes, it will make money. No amount of hope or putting your head in the sand will deny it. It is doing really well in China. Post digital sales, etc. Stop it.

It will pass the actual movie budget in about a week. You and others say to double that for marketing, but you don't know that. And you don't know what the toy sales are.

They will release a sequel and that will tell everybody whether this was a success or not. Spoiler alert, it is successful.

Where are you getting this?  According to IMDB the gross is sitting at $61.7 Million  And with the movie costing $150 Million to make plus probably another $100 million for marketing it still has a long way to go before breaking even.

Edit: I have seen places where it says it made $75.  With all the new movies coming out and Box office wise its already dropped to 4th place, I think its going to slow down because people who wanted to see the movie already have.

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 12, 2023, 11:37:53 AM

Quote from: FingerRod on April 11, 2023, 09:41:56 PM
But then, as Geeky pointed out, Mario happened last week. Number one animated release ever. That certainly cut into the second weekend opportunity. But sitting at 125 million less than two weeks from release and, yes, it will make money. No amount of hope or putting your head in the sand will deny it. It is doing really well in China. Post digital sales, etc. Stop it.

It will pass the actual movie budget in about a week. You and others say to double that for marketing, but you don't know that. And you don't know what the toy sales are.

They will release a sequel and that will tell everybody whether this was a success or not. Spoiler alert, it is successful.

Where are you getting this?  According to IMDB the gross is sitting at $61.7 Million  And with the movie costing $150 Million to make plus probably another $100 million for marketing it still has a long way to go before breaking even.

Edit: I have seen places where it says it made $75.  With all the new movies coming out and Box office wise its already dropped to 4th place, I think its going to slow down because people who wanted to see the movie already have.

Both are correct, he's giving you the total (domestic + international) you have only the domestic.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Dungeons-and-Dragons-Honor-Among-Thieves-(2023)#tab=summary

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 12, 2023, 12:38:12 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 12, 2023, 11:37:53 AM

Quote from: FingerRod on April 11, 2023, 09:41:56 PM
But then, as Geeky pointed out, Mario happened last week. Number one animated release ever. That certainly cut into the second weekend opportunity. But sitting at 125 million less than two weeks from release and, yes, it will make money. No amount of hope or putting your head in the sand will deny it. It is doing really well in China. Post digital sales, etc. Stop it.

It will pass the actual movie budget in about a week. You and others say to double that for marketing, but you don't know that. And you don't know what the toy sales are.

They will release a sequel and that will tell everybody whether this was a success or not. Spoiler alert, it is successful.

Where are you getting this?  According to IMDB the gross is sitting at $61.7 Million  And with the movie costing $150 Million to make plus probably another $100 million for marketing it still has a long way to go before breaking even.

Edit: I have seen places where it says it made $75.  With all the new movies coming out and Box office wise its already dropped to 4th place, I think its going to slow down because people who wanted to see the movie already have.

Both are correct, he's giving you the total (domestic + international) you have only the domestic.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Dungeons-and-Dragons-Honor-Among-Thieves-(2023)#tab=summary

In other words they've made $125 million, and probably have to make another $335 million just to break even.

Quote from: Grognard GM on April 12, 2023, 12:53:54 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 12, 2023, 12:38:12 PM
Both are correct, he's giving you the total (domestic + international) you have only the domestic.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Dungeons-and-Dragons-Honor-Among-Thieves-(2023)#tab=summary

In other words they've made $125 million, and probably have to make another $335 million just to break even.

True, but also note that movie theater tickets are only part of potential profits from a movie. Streaming deals, VOD, merchandising, and others also make a lot of money. Given that Honor Among Thieves is a marketing tie-in movie, merchandising and effect on the D&D brand is particularly important. It's hard to know how much money a movie makes overall.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/093015/how-exactly-do-movies-make-money.asp

Quote from: jhkim on April 12, 2023, 01:23:51 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on April 12, 2023, 12:53:54 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 12, 2023, 12:38:12 PM
Both are correct, he's giving you the total (domestic + international) you have only the domestic.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Dungeons-and-Dragons-Honor-Among-Thieves-(2023)#tab=summary

In other words they've made $125 million, and probably have to make another $335 million just to break even.

True, but also note that movie theater tickets are only part of potential profits from a movie. Streaming deals, VOD, merchandising, and others also make a lot of money. Given that Honor Among Thieves is a marketing tie-in movie, merchandising and effect on the D&D brand is particularly important. It's hard to know how much money a movie makes overall.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/093015/how-exactly-do-movies-make-money.asp

Sure, so when the movie finishes at maybe 160 million, netting them $80 mil, they just need to make twice that from tie-ins, and they'll be sitting pretty on a tidy break-even. Truly a success story in the making.

Quote from: jhkim on April 12, 2023, 01:23:51 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on April 12, 2023, 12:53:54 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 12, 2023, 12:38:12 PM
Both are correct, he's giving you the total (domestic + international) you have only the domestic.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Dungeons-and-Dragons-Honor-Among-Thieves-(2023)#tab=summary

In other words they've made $125 million, and probably have to make another $335 million just to break even.

True, but also note that movie theater tickets are only part of potential profits from a movie. Streaming deals, VOD, merchandising, and others also make a lot of money. Given that Honor Among Thieves is a marketing tie-in movie, merchandising and effect on the D&D brand is particularly important. It's hard to know how much money a movie makes overall.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/093015/how-exactly-do-movies-make-money.asp

True, but note that we have ALWAYS measured a movie's success by what they make in theaters, the rest follows from that, the more people liked the movie the more people who will buy the physical media/rent it on streaming, buy the merch, etc.

Say the Disney Wars trilogy, the toys are still collecting dust in some bargain bin, did the movies made money or not?

They did BECAUSE we measure that from the theatrical release box office not from the merch, that the toy makers sold them to stores who got fucked with toys nobody wants is irrelevant.

Did you know those rights get sold BEFORE the movie is released?

Is GWotKKK gonna sell more books thanks to the movie? Doubt it
What about toys? Doubt it (hope Hasbro is manufacturing those so they get fucked by the sales but it mainly hurt the stores)
What about other merch?

All of those depend on how much people watched the movie, which in turn depends on how much people liked the movie. From the reviews I have seen it's nothing to write home about.

I'm not expecting a huge boom for GWotKKK on book sales.