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Why do you assume people who don't like d20 hate it?

Started by Dominus Nox, October 02, 2006, 01:00:03 AM

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Caesar Slaad

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October 07, 2006, 03:05:54 PM
Quote from: MaddmanI'll agree with that.  With drawbacks I much prefer systems that give some kind of reward when they come up in play - Buffy gives Drama points (though it also gives points at chargen) and World of Darkness gives bonus XP.



The one true disadvantage method.

QuoteProbably the worst implementation was the 2e S|<1llZ n P0\/\/3rZ book, which perfected the 'reward players for what they were going to do anyway'.

If you think about it, it's really not that different than the GURPS and HERO style disads that have been around for years. In fact, it's a step better, because what you could spend those points on were limit. But in my play experience, it still proved a problem. (I guess I tolerated it in HERO because the kind of odd over-the-top characters it tended to produce were sort of in-genre.)

I consider these things a problem for the same reason Barbarians and Cavaliers are: it rewards characters for a bad (and often disruptive to the game) attitude.
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The Yann Waters

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October 07, 2006, 04:28:00 PM
Quote from: Caesar SlaadThe one true disadvantage method.
Yup: that way the disadvantages actually have to be disadvantageous during play. The Handicaps in Nobilis are another example of this, by the way.
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Caesar Slaad

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October 07, 2006, 05:39:18 PM
Quote from: GrimGentYup: that way the disadvantages actually have to be disadvantageous during play. The Handicaps in Nobilis are another example of this, by the way.

And, of course, I can't let the moment slip by without mentioning that subplots in Spycraft also reflect this method.
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