Why veggie bacon? - Cholesterol is not fun for me

Maple syrup + bacon is the closest we'll get to nirvana. Not the band, the other one.

I feel I have to interject here... American bacon is not bacon. American bacon is the stuff you scrape out of the pan after you have cooked the bacon. Sure it has its place but its not bacon.

This is bacon ....

A full discussion on teh merits of proper bacon can be found here -
http://englishbreakfastsociety.com/back-bacon.html

Likewise a proper bacon sandwich looks like this  -

Quote from: BarefootGaijin;811049I just can't into Hero. I want to, but I glaze over (even with Hero designer and all that right to game play). This is a problem because I know a guy who loves it and thinks it is nice and light and quick to play. The go to system of choice for a quick game.

(I'll let you read that again a few times)

Well, if you were trying to DM AD&D with Gygaxian and 2nd Edition rules... yes.  

But while I prefer Hero to everything else, I started to get alienated by 6th Edition.  The point I made in my review at The Banning Place was (in so many words): Every edition of Hero System had added greater complexity, but that was to account for the greater range of things that characters could do.  But there's a difference between complicating things and complicating them unnecessarily.  And in my opinion, stuff like requiring people to buy at least two separate Combat Values as base stats- and then increasing the starting point totals to accommodate the need for more points- was complicating things unnecessarily.  And when you're trying to make your game appeal to veterans and people who were not previously into it, the last thing you want to do is complicate things unnecessarily.

Which I think touches on what trechiron was saying in the OP.

JG

I messed around with a bunch of different games, generally of higher complexity, over the last several years, and 5E DnD just fits the bill for me as well. It has the flexibility, the stability, the simplicity, and the level of detail that I'm comfortable with. I generally have so little time to game these days, that I need something that takes comparatively minimal time to throw together and run with. Probably because I've played several variations of DnD for over 30 years, it is extra easy to just "plug and play" with the game.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;811061I don't think what your friend says about HERO is that different from what Omega said upthread about AD&D. Familiarity and internalizing a system count for a lot in games, IMO, more than we may sometimes give credit for.

I think at a certain point that internalization is equivalent to learning your native language.  Granted, there are plenty of gamers on a never-ending search for the next best game. But for a lot of folks, there are games that they just grok better than others.  HERO is it for me but I could have easily stuck with AD&D and that style of play back in the 80's if I had never had that first introduction to Champions.  The hardest part is finding like minded gamers to play with.  I totally agree with the OP with regards to using computers to game.  I work in IT.  When I game I want it to be in person, with friends or folks who could become friends. It should not feel like work, at all.  If it does I would rather just not game at all.

Quote from: jibbajibba;811344I feel I have to interject here... American bacon is not bacon. American bacon is the stuff you scrape out of the pan after you have cooked the bacon. Sure it has its place but its not bacon.

This is bacon ....

Ok, so you have better bacon.  Unfortunately, you guys completely ruin it by dousing it in ketchup.  The only proper bacon sandwich is the BLT.  

Quote from: CRKrueger;811632Ok, so you have better bacon.  Unfortunately, you guys completely ruin it by dousing it in ketchup.  The only proper bacon sandwich is the BLT.  

Bacon butty vs BTL ... only one way to solve this .... FIGHT!!!!!!!

I will happily eat all bacon samples to determine best bacon.

Quote from: Hyper-Man;811381I think at a certain point that internalization is equivalent to learning your native language.  Granted, there are plenty of gamers on a never-ending search for the next best game. But for a lot of folks, there are games that they just grok better than others.  HERO is it for me but I could have easily stuck with AD&D and that style of play back in the 80's if I had never had that first introduction to Champions.  The hardest part is finding like minded gamers to play with.  I totally agree with the OP with regards to using computers to game.  I work in IT.  When I game I want it to be in person, with friends or folks who could become friends. It should not feel like work, at all.  If it does I would rather just not game at all.

There's a lot of people who think that Hero is too complex but will happily use Palladium.
Go figure.

JG

Worst thing about Japan is that the bacon is a disgrace.


And they call themselves a civilised people?

Quote from: The_Shadow;811663Worst thing about Japan is that the bacon is a disgrace.

And they call themselves a civilised people?

I don't even want to ask about the prosciutto.

Quote from: jibbajibba;811646Bacon butty vs BTL ... only one way to solve this .... FIGHT!!!!!!!

Or better yet...GOOGLEFIGHT!!!!!!!
Done and Done and just for fun.

Quote from: CRKrueger;811670I don't even want to ask about the prosciutto.

Actually you can get decent prosciutto and other imported smallgoods...but you can't (readily) get imported bacon, and the domestic stuff is not worth the name.

Quote from: The_Shadow;811710you can't (readily) get imported bacon, and the domestic stuff is not worth the name.

I am confused.

I don't remember American bacon being any different except in size.

Eating things in Japanese sizes keeps you happy, slim and sexy.
Eating in American sizes gives FAT GUT!