Quote from: Marleycat;754728Yes. You ever spout that gibberish (game speak) to me or wrote it in a sidebar when I first started or read the game I would have looked at you crosseyed and just said roll whatever the hell you're talking about for me up or just give me an extra character thingy already. Let's just play already!!

Why is that hard to understand for a newbie? I understood it when I started reading RPGs. It's something that can be explained in a sentence or two.

Quote from: Endless Flight;754729If they are, they aren't doing a good job advertising. I haven't seen any ads on any kids channels (I see what my daughter watches on TV) and I haven't seen any ads in any comic books lately (D&D used to have tons of ads back in the day). Even if it is coming out in July, you need to get people excited ahead of time.

probably because it's not out yet.  Ads targeted at kids are "buy now" because kids will forget after a month has passed.  We'll see in July.  Although I'm hopeing they will have commercials, I remain skeptical.

Quote from: Marleycat;754719Wow, this is still going on? Jeff you have to understand you aren't the audience anymore then myself and like any experienced roleplayer have internalized the rules to a degree that you can't even realize let alone admit.

As already explained they are targeting this in multiple channels and platforms and the Starter is explicitly targeted to kids, and newbies and  mothers shopping at Target et al.

I know many are looking at this only through the lens of D&D Next, except for me. I got that I've stirred up a hornet's nest by offering my opinion that disagrees with how WotC is doing things and because of that I am a pariah to the idiot diehards.

However, my opinion remains unchanged.

I'll take a look at D&D Next when it comes out and judge D&D Next after seeing it. That does not mean I will refrain from my own independant thought on whether or not it is a good game or even if it has good implementation as a game in its release.

You want to know why people abandon D&D? It is bullshit like this where you must swear fealty to the New Hotness or else you are one of THEM. I'd rather not game with binary thinking bullies who don't have an intellectual leg to stand on.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;754731probably because it's not out yet.  Ads targeted at kids are "buy now" because kids will forget after a month has passed.  We'll see in July.  Although I'm Hopping they will have commercials, I remain skeptical.

It's Hasbro. That's all you need to know.

Quote from: Marleycat;754728Yes. You ever spout that gibberish (game speak) to me or wrote it in a sidebar when I first started or read the game I would have looked at you crosseyed and just said roll whatever the hell you're talking about for me up or just give me an extra character thingy already. Let's just play already!!

So, if we go back to what I said, the single sentence needed to explain what "#d#" is, that's too hard for you?  Really?

Because it's not like that notation is exclusive to chargen.

I don't expect people to know what "#d#" is inherently.  I would expect anyone who isn't a drooling idiot to pretty damned quickly grasp that.

It's not a tough concept, and if people are holding that up as an example of a barrier to entry, then, God help this hobby.

Quote from: Endless Flight;754730Why is that hard to understand for a newbie? I understood it when I started reading RPGs. It's something that can be explained in a sentence or two.

To you or myself yes. But when I started my brother was explaining I so I got excited and already had my concept of what fighter or wizard I was going to play regardless and wanted to PLAY immediately not roll dice to create what I was already going to play despite numbers I could give a frig about. My brother was explaining the game to me not character generation. And that was why I got interested.

Quote from: jeff37923;754678Dude, argueing logically with you is pointless.

That's not really a statement you can sincerely make until you make an attempt to do so.  Something you've yet to accomplish.

oh please.  Give it a rest already.  No one here has remotely tried to make you swear fealty to 5e.  You're doing what you always do, making up arguments in your head that no one has made to portray yourself as some sort of bullied person who is just trying to "fight the power"

Quote from: Sacrosanct;754689begs the question: do you speak English?

No no no.  You totally botched that quote.  This is how it goes:

Quote from: kythri;754734So, if we go back to what I said, the single sentence needed to explain what "#d#" is, that's too hard for you?  Really?

Because it's not like that notation is exclusive to chargen.

I don't expect people to know what "#d#" is inherently.  I would expect anyone who isn't a drooling idiot to pretty damned quickly grasp that.

It's not a tough concept, and if people are holding that up as an example of a barrier to entry, then, God help this hobby.

I agree and you're elitist attitude is the reason as your post shows in full color. Even to us drooling idiots. It's not about that sentence I would have never read it's all about shut up at let's play. I am already convinced get it?

Quote from: Endless Flight;754733It's Hasbro. That's all you need to know.

Name me a product targeted at kids that Hasbro has advertised 2 months in advance of it even coming out.

I wouldn't be surprised if they waited until Christmas to advertise it.  That's when they would get the most bang for their buck.

Quote from: Endless Flight;754729If they are, they aren't doing a good job advertising. I haven't seen any ads on any kids channels (I see what my daughter watches on TV) and I haven't seen any ads in any comic books lately (D&D used to have tons of ads back in the day). Even if it is coming out in July, you need to get people excited ahead of time.

Can't say I disagree honestly. But it's not a big deal given Boardgames aren't core brands to the general public anyway. You get them at Thanksgiving and Christmas usually.

they just need to do a cartoon already.  Animators from Avatar The Last Airbender and writers from the Teen Titans (NOT Teen Titans go)

Quote from: Sacrosanct;754746they just need to do a cartoon already.  Animators from Avatar The Last Airbender and writers from the Teen Titans (NOT Teen Titans go)

That would be just the ticket to core brand status end of story.

Quote from: Mistwell;754744Name me a product targeted at kids that Hasbro has advertised 2 months in advance of it even coming out.

I wouldn't be surprised if they waited until Christmas to advertise it.  That's when they would get the most bang for their buck.

They've advertised toys ahead of time, but we have to go back to when they were actually good at advertising, which was the 80s.

When has Hasbro advertised Dungeons & Dragons correctly? It's comical to say TSR did a better job at it, but it's true!