Quote from: tenbones on March 21, 2022, 12:02:10 PM
I know they exist, but I don't know a single guy or girl that was ever truly offended by the chainmail bikini.

I don't know of any black males or females that were offended by them either. The 80's puritanical sensibilities of yesteryear have been demolished by the liberal lunacy of today...

So I'm not sure why it's germane. The reality of black folks not playing TTRPG's is pretty straightforward, and it's not racism, or anything else, it's exposure.

Just like I could ask how many TTRPG players are deeply into specific sports, or tea-ceremony or whatever. It's lack of cultural touchpoints and in-group exposure that cause it. It's definitely changing... but you know... not everyone has to be INTO everything, or even like it.

   Agree 100 percent.  I think part of the reason few black people could have been exposed to RPGs, at least in my day (school years in the 80's) is just demographic percentages.  Most of the southern states are proportionately much "blacker" than northern or western states.   This was also a big time strong hold of the bible belt in the 80's.  So there were not going to be many D&D games popping up in public spaces (like during down times at school) because they got shut down.  I know where I was we got shut down by every grade teacher I had throughout elementary and middle school at some point, and banned by the librarian in middle school as well.  All following good old Jack Chicks' spiel.  I have no idea what the climate was north or out west, I just know proportionately the opportunity for exposure would have been bigger in the Southern states, but white or black, you were getting shut down on the devil games in any space a concerned morality police person (usually an older white woman, but I did get the chance to get shut down by an couple of older black women as well, aka Karens) was able to catch you playing.

Quote from: tenbones on March 21, 2022, 11:19:49 AM
WTF is going on in this thread?

Tits, man, tits everywhere. Gotta cover em in 10 CM of steel or ELSE!

(especially those black tits! Double no-no! verboten!)

Quote from: VisionStorm on March 19, 2022, 09:48:53 AM

Quote from: Zalman on March 19, 2022, 09:35:08 AMAs many people have pointed out many times, you don't even need to leave gaming to find examples of scantily clad male warriors.

Celtic warriors used to run naked into battle. That fact alone pretty much blows most the "realism" argument out of the water, unless you want to insist that only armor that provides proper covering provides protection in a game that's actually supposed to be realistic. If that last part is not the case, who cares?

Any given martial arts show. Why arent they all weaing plate mail? This is UN-REAL-ISTICCCCCCC!

Only last year, one of the D&D YouTube channels in partnership with Wizards of the Coast did a short series of D&D with puppets. They had one black lady in the party, and she chose to play a very buxom dragonborn in boob plate armour. This caused a kerfuffle at the time among the usual suspects, to the point that they had to start putting a disclaimer at the start of the show reminding viewers that the players chose how their characters were represented.



Maybe if the prudes hadn't queered the pitch so early in D&D history they'd actually have a truly representative player base to pick from by now, and wouldn't have to resort to blatantly obvious diversity hiring to fill out all the reality TV D&D shows.

Quote from: tenbones on March 21, 2022, 11:19:49 AM
WTF is going on in this thread?

I tried to use some common sense on it and the thread promptly shoved itself up its own ass.

Quote from: tenbones on March 21, 2022, 11:19:49 AM
WTF is going on in this thread?

Standard clusterfuck, pull up a chair fam we're gonna make popcorn.

As far as black people playing RPG's, I must confess I don't think I've run across very many over the years. Though my area has a pretty strong showing of young black dudes playing MtG, Yugioh, the DBZ card game, and a handful of Warhammer players.

Quote from: mightybrain on March 21, 2022, 06:49:13 PM
Only last year, one of the D&D YouTube channels in partnership with Wizards of the Coast did a short series of D&D with puppets. They had one black lady in the party, and she chose to play a very buxom dragonborn in boob plate armour. This caused a kerfuffle at the time among the usual suspects, to the point that they had to start putting a disclaimer at the start of the show reminding viewers that the players chose how their characters were represented.

Maybe if the prudes hadn't queered the pitch so early in D&D history they'd actually have a truly representative player base to pick from by now, and wouldn't have to resort to blatantly obvious diversity hiring to fill out all the reality TV D&D shows.

Reminds me of my black female player's busty bare-breasted blonde Amazon Warrior PC. Everyone loved that PC.  It was a Wilderlands of High Fantasy campaign.

Q: Why aren't more black Americans playing RPGs?
A: Not enough chainmail bikinis? Or too much coverage of the upper torso? 

Quote from: S'mon on March 22, 2022, 02:17:17 AM

Quote from: mightybrain on March 21, 2022, 06:49:13 PM
Only last year, one of the D&D YouTube channels in partnership with Wizards of the Coast did a short series of D&D with puppets. They had one black lady in the party, and she chose to play a very buxom dragonborn in boob plate armour. This caused a kerfuffle at the time among the usual suspects, to the point that they had to start putting a disclaimer at the start of the show reminding viewers that the players chose how their characters were represented.

Maybe if the prudes hadn't queered the pitch so early in D&D history they'd actually have a truly representative player base to pick from by now, and wouldn't have to resort to blatantly obvious diversity hiring to fill out all the reality TV D&D shows.

Reminds me of my black female player's busty bare-breasted blonde Amazon Warrior PC. Everyone loved that PC.  It was a Wilderlands of High Fantasy campaign.

Q: Why aren't more black Americans playing RPGs?
A: Not enough chainmail bikinis? Or too much coverage of the upper torso? 

A, Cont.: And also shaming them and putting up a disclaimer when invited to play and they create characters with those attributes. 

Quote from: mightybrain on March 21, 2022, 06:49:13 PM
Only last year, one of the D&D YouTube channels in partnership with Wizards of the Coast did a short series of D&D with puppets. They had one black lady in the party, and she chose to play a very buxom dragonborn in boob plate armour. This caused a kerfuffle at the time among the usual suspects, to the point that they had to start putting a disclaimer at the start of the show reminding viewers that the players chose how their characters were represented.

Maybe if the prudes hadn't queered the pitch so early in D&D history they'd actually have a truly representative player base to pick from by now, and wouldn't have to resort to blatantly obvious diversity hiring to fill out all the reality TV D&D shows.

Thanks for posting that video.  I didn't even know the show existed.  I really don't like Critical Role and can't sit through a single episode but that was fun to watch.

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 19, 2022, 08:20:55 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 19, 2022, 04:16:30 AM

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 19, 2022, 02:45:49 AM
The Chainmail Bikini argument didn't start the Satanic Panic and you have lost all sense of perspective if you think it did and that people should be punished for disagreeing with you.

Here is The Pulling Report, read up what did start the Satanic Panic and get a grip because ya'll sound like Mirror Universe Woke Scolds.

http://www.rpgstudies.net/stackpole/pulling_report.html

Are you fucking drunk?

NOBODY has said that.

Really?

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 14, 2022, 04:36:56 AM

So you think the infestation starts with loads of locusts?

The locusts started working on D&D with just ONE Article on Dragon (or was it Dungeon?) about chainmail bikinis way back during the satanic panic.

You probably would scream it's just one article!

A single article, a single complaint and managed to change things. And that's how it ALWAYS starts.

Methinks thou dost protest too much.....

Again, are you drunk, on heavy drugs, malicious or just plain stupid?

Please explain to the class exactly where do I say the chainmail bikini article started the satanic panic or was even remotelly connected to it except in a temporal form?

Dude I had you pegged as above average IQ. Now? I doubt you reach room temperature.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 23, 2022, 05:20:01 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 19, 2022, 08:20:55 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 19, 2022, 04:16:30 AM

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 19, 2022, 02:45:49 AM
The Chainmail Bikini argument didn't start the Satanic Panic and you have lost all sense of perspective if you think it did and that people should be punished for disagreeing with you.

Here is The Pulling Report, read up what did start the Satanic Panic and get a grip because ya'll sound like Mirror Universe Woke Scolds.

http://www.rpgstudies.net/stackpole/pulling_report.html

Are you fucking drunk?

NOBODY has said that.

Really?

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 14, 2022, 04:36:56 AM

So you think the infestation starts with loads of locusts?

The locusts started working on D&D with just ONE Article on Dragon (or was it Dungeon?) about chainmail bikinis way back during the satanic panic.

You probably would scream it's just one article!

A single article, a single complaint and managed to change things. And that's how it ALWAYS starts.

Methinks thou dost protest too much.....

Again, are you drunk, on heavy drugs, malicious or just plain stupid?

Please explain to the class exactly where do I say the chainmail bikini article started the satanic panic or was even remotelly connected to it except in a temporal form?

Dude I had you pegged as above average IQ. Now? I doubt you reach room temperature.

I've already explained it to you in the post that you have quoted. Now go ahead and double down on your claim, it's fine by me.

Maybe I'm drunk, on drugs, malicious, AND stupid - as long as it helps you to sleep at night. Last time I looked, my IQ was 143, but seeing the spastic emotionalism of people declaring that the sky is falling by the "intelligentsia" makes me wonder if I wouldn't be happier having a room temperature IQ.

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 23, 2022, 06:18:40 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 23, 2022, 05:20:01 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 19, 2022, 08:20:55 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 19, 2022, 04:16:30 AM

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 19, 2022, 02:45:49 AM
The Chainmail Bikini argument didn't start the Satanic Panic and you have lost all sense of perspective if you think it did and that people should be punished for disagreeing with you.

Here is The Pulling Report, read up what did start the Satanic Panic and get a grip because ya'll sound like Mirror Universe Woke Scolds.

http://www.rpgstudies.net/stackpole/pulling_report.html

Are you fucking drunk?

NOBODY has said that.

Really?

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 14, 2022, 04:36:56 AM

So you think the infestation starts with loads of locusts?

The locusts started working on D&D with just ONE Article on Dragon (or was it Dungeon?) about chainmail bikinis way back during the satanic panic.

You probably would scream it's just one article!

A single article, a single complaint and managed to change things. And that's how it ALWAYS starts.

Methinks thou dost protest too much.....

Again, are you drunk, on heavy drugs, malicious or just plain stupid?

Please explain to the class exactly where do I say the chainmail bikini article started the satanic panic or was even remotelly connected to it except in a temporal form?

Dude I had you pegged as above average IQ. Now? I doubt you reach room temperature.

I've already explained it to you in the post that you have quoted. Now go ahead and double down on your claim, it's fine by me.

Maybe I'm drunk, on drugs, malicious, AND stupid - as long as it helps you to sleep at night. Last time I looked, my IQ was 143, but seeing the spastic emotionalism of people declaring that the sky is falling by the "intelligentsia" makes me wonder if I wouldn't be happier having a room temperature IQ.

Let me put it clear, you might have forgotten what came first:

I said :

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 14, 2022, 04:36:56 AM

So you think the infestation starts with loads of locusts?

The locusts started working on D&D with just ONE Article on Dragon (or was it Dungeon?) about chainmail bikinis way back during the satanic panic.

You probably would scream it's just one article!

A single article, a single complaint and managed to change things. And that's how it ALWAYS starts.

Answering you in regards to your complaint that the train's article was JUST one article.

By the locusts I mean the feminists/SJWs/Commies.

I would have thought that was obvious, maybe your 143 IQ prevents you from understanding this.

I'm saying the D&D infestation by SJWs started way back then, during the Satanic Panic, emphasis in DURING, meaning it couldn't have caused/started it because it was published while the Satanic Panic was going on.

Are we clear so far? Something that happens while something else ALREADY STARTED can't be the starting point of what already has started, cause and effect.

But event X CAN take place WHILE event Y is occurring, and someone can use (and many do) event Y as a time frame reference, as a shortcut to saying this happened in that year, especially if one doesn't remember the exact moment in time bout event Y lasted long enough and event X did transpire WHILE event Y was occurring.

For instance person X married during the summer of love, person X getting married didn't cause the summer of love and only a moron would think so.

Then you said:

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 19, 2022, 02:45:49 AM
The Chainmail Bikini argument didn't start the Satanic Panic and you have lost all sense of perspective if you think it did and that people should be punished for disagreeing with you.

Here is The Pulling Report, read up what did start the Satanic Panic and get a grip because ya'll sound like Mirror Universe Woke Scolds.

http://www.rpgstudies.net/stackpole/pulling_report.html

And my response was:

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 23, 2022, 05:20:01 PM

Are you fucking drunk?

NOBODY has said that.

So, once more, are you fucking drunk, using weapons grade drugs, malicious, stupid or just plain wrong because you didn't read carefully what I wrote?

Take a moment, use your 143 IQ and read carefully before answering this time.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 23, 2022, 06:52:18 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 23, 2022, 06:18:40 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 23, 2022, 05:20:01 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 19, 2022, 08:20:55 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 19, 2022, 04:16:30 AM

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 19, 2022, 02:45:49 AM
The Chainmail Bikini argument didn't start the Satanic Panic and you have lost all sense of perspective if you think it did and that people should be punished for disagreeing with you.

Here is The Pulling Report, read up what did start the Satanic Panic and get a grip because ya'll sound like Mirror Universe Woke Scolds.

http://www.rpgstudies.net/stackpole/pulling_report.html

Are you fucking drunk?

NOBODY has said that.

Really?

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 14, 2022, 04:36:56 AM

So you think the infestation starts with loads of locusts?

The locusts started working on D&D with just ONE Article on Dragon (or was it Dungeon?) about chainmail bikinis way back during the satanic panic.

You probably would scream it's just one article!

A single article, a single complaint and managed to change things. And that's how it ALWAYS starts.

Methinks thou dost protest too much.....

Again, are you drunk, on heavy drugs, malicious or just plain stupid?

Please explain to the class exactly where do I say the chainmail bikini article started the satanic panic or was even remotelly connected to it except in a temporal form?

Dude I had you pegged as above average IQ. Now? I doubt you reach room temperature.

I've already explained it to you in the post that you have quoted. Now go ahead and double down on your claim, it's fine by me.

Maybe I'm drunk, on drugs, malicious, AND stupid - as long as it helps you to sleep at night. Last time I looked, my IQ was 143, but seeing the spastic emotionalism of people declaring that the sky is falling by the "intelligentsia" makes me wonder if I wouldn't be happier having a room temperature IQ.

Let me put it clear, you might have forgotten what came first:

I said :

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 14, 2022, 04:36:56 AM

So you think the infestation starts with loads of locusts?

The locusts started working on D&D with just ONE Article on Dragon (or was it Dungeon?) about chainmail bikinis way back during the satanic panic.

You probably would scream it's just one article!

A single article, a single complaint and managed to change things. And that's how it ALWAYS starts.

Answering you in regards to your complaint that the train's article was JUST one article.

By the locusts I mean the feminists/SJWs/Commies.

I would have thought that was obvious, maybe your 143 IQ prevents you from understanding this.

I'm saying the D&D infestation by SJWs started way back then, during the Satanic Panic, emphasis in DURING, meaning it couldn't have caused/started it because it was published while the Satanic Panic was going on.

Are we clear so far? Something that happens while something else ALREADY STARTED can't be the starting point of what already has started, cause and effect.

But event X CAN take place WHILE event Y is occurring, and someone can use (and many do) event Y as a time frame reference, as a shortcut to saying this happened in that year, especially if one doesn't remember the exact moment in time bout event Y lasted long enough and event X did transpire WHILE event Y was occurring.

For instance person X married during the summer of love, person X getting married didn't cause the summer of love and only a moron would think so.

Then you said:

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 19, 2022, 02:45:49 AM
The Chainmail Bikini argument didn't start the Satanic Panic and you have lost all sense of perspective if you think it did and that people should be punished for disagreeing with you.

Here is The Pulling Report, read up what did start the Satanic Panic and get a grip because ya'll sound like Mirror Universe Woke Scolds.

http://www.rpgstudies.net/stackpole/pulling_report.html

And my response was:

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 23, 2022, 05:20:01 PM

Are you fucking drunk?

NOBODY has said that.

So, once more, are you fucking drunk, using weapons grade drugs, malicious, stupid or just plain wrong because you didn't read carefully what I wrote?

Take a moment, use your 143 IQ and read carefully before answering this time.

Nah. You have already lost any sense of perspective on this, so why should I bother?

Shine on, you crazy diamond.

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 23, 2022, 07:25:11 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 23, 2022, 06:52:18 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 23, 2022, 06:18:40 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 23, 2022, 05:20:01 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 19, 2022, 08:20:55 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 19, 2022, 04:16:30 AM

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 19, 2022, 02:45:49 AM
The Chainmail Bikini argument didn't start the Satanic Panic and you have lost all sense of perspective if you think it did and that people should be punished for disagreeing with you.

Here is The Pulling Report, read up what did start the Satanic Panic and get a grip because ya'll sound like Mirror Universe Woke Scolds.

http://www.rpgstudies.net/stackpole/pulling_report.html

Are you fucking drunk?

NOBODY has said that.

Really?

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 14, 2022, 04:36:56 AM

So you think the infestation starts with loads of locusts?

The locusts started working on D&D with just ONE Article on Dragon (or was it Dungeon?) about chainmail bikinis way back during the satanic panic.

You probably would scream it's just one article!

A single article, a single complaint and managed to change things. And that's how it ALWAYS starts.

Methinks thou dost protest too much.....

Again, are you drunk, on heavy drugs, malicious or just plain stupid?

Please explain to the class exactly where do I say the chainmail bikini article started the satanic panic or was even remotelly connected to it except in a temporal form?

Dude I had you pegged as above average IQ. Now? I doubt you reach room temperature.

I've already explained it to you in the post that you have quoted. Now go ahead and double down on your claim, it's fine by me.

Maybe I'm drunk, on drugs, malicious, AND stupid - as long as it helps you to sleep at night. Last time I looked, my IQ was 143, but seeing the spastic emotionalism of people declaring that the sky is falling by the "intelligentsia" makes me wonder if I wouldn't be happier having a room temperature IQ.

Let me put it clear, you might have forgotten what came first:

I said :

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 14, 2022, 04:36:56 AM

So you think the infestation starts with loads of locusts?

The locusts started working on D&D with just ONE Article on Dragon (or was it Dungeon?) about chainmail bikinis way back during the satanic panic.

You probably would scream it's just one article!

A single article, a single complaint and managed to change things. And that's how it ALWAYS starts.

Answering you in regards to your complaint that the train's article was JUST one article.

By the locusts I mean the feminists/SJWs/Commies.

I would have thought that was obvious, maybe your 143 IQ prevents you from understanding this.

I'm saying the D&D infestation by SJWs started way back then, during the Satanic Panic, emphasis in DURING, meaning it couldn't have caused/started it because it was published while the Satanic Panic was going on.

Are we clear so far? Something that happens while something else ALREADY STARTED can't be the starting point of what already has started, cause and effect.

But event X CAN take place WHILE event Y is occurring, and someone can use (and many do) event Y as a time frame reference, as a shortcut to saying this happened in that year, especially if one doesn't remember the exact moment in time bout event Y lasted long enough and event X did transpire WHILE event Y was occurring.

For instance person X married during the summer of love, person X getting married didn't cause the summer of love and only a moron would think so.

Then you said:

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 19, 2022, 02:45:49 AM
The Chainmail Bikini argument didn't start the Satanic Panic and you have lost all sense of perspective if you think it did and that people should be punished for disagreeing with you.

Here is The Pulling Report, read up what did start the Satanic Panic and get a grip because ya'll sound like Mirror Universe Woke Scolds.

http://www.rpgstudies.net/stackpole/pulling_report.html

And my response was:

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 23, 2022, 05:20:01 PM

Are you fucking drunk?

NOBODY has said that.

So, once more, are you fucking drunk, using weapons grade drugs, malicious, stupid or just plain wrong because you didn't read carefully what I wrote?

Take a moment, use your 143 IQ and read carefully before answering this time.

Nah. You have already lost any sense of perspective on this, so why should I bother?

Shine on, you crazy diamond.

Yeah, it's not the one denying reality and refusing to aknowledge they were wrong the one who lost perspective but me.

You're the one who comes out looking as mentally addled (by substances or something else). I still hope someday you can think and reflect and recognize YOU were wrong and putting words in my mouth.

Have a good day.

Stop arguing and fuck already, you two.