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Who's Your Favorite Barbarian--Non-Conan Edition

Started by Persimmon, April 30, 2023, 11:57:20 PM

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Tod13

#60
May 14, 2023, 10:45:49 AM
Quote from: Omega on May 14, 2023, 02:28:46 AM
Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser books by Leiber. I have only read a scant few, but its been interesting so far.
Am I the only one who doesn't like these stories? I've tried several time over the years to read them and they don't work for me. Nothing "wrong" with them, but I just can't read them. Closest was one with "dogs" in the title in a Baen anthology. (There were no dogs - it was metaphorical.) I could read that one, but much prefer Robert E Howard, Edgar Rice Burroughs, Michael Moorcock, or John Norman.

Theory of Games

#61
May 14, 2023, 11:27:50 AM
One-Eye would cut off Conan's head and use the skull for a rice bowl.

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rhialto

#62
May 14, 2023, 12:14:43 PM
Quote from: Omega on May 14, 2023, 02:28:46 AM
And one I have lost the name of was a series about a warrior who visits Atlantis and gets into various trouble. The one I read had him encountering followers of Baal and nearly getting sacrificed.

Elak of Atlantis, by Henry Kuttner?

I

#63
May 14, 2023, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: Tod13 on May 14, 2023, 10:45:49 AM
Quote from: Omega on May 14, 2023, 02:28:46 AM
Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser books by Leiber. I have only read a scant few, but its been interesting so far.
Am I the only one who doesn't like these stories? I've tried several time over the years to read them and they don't work for me. Nothing "wrong" with them, but I just can't read them. Closest was one with "dogs" in the title in a Baen anthology. (There were no dogs - it was metaphorical.) I could read that one, but much prefer Robert E Howard, Edgar Rice Burroughs, Michael Moorcock, or John Norman.

There's a HUGE difference between the earlier F & GM books and the later ones.  As much as I love the earlier stuff, "Swords and Ice Magic" and "The Knight and Knave of Swords" (the last two books) I find to be mostly unreadable.  So if you don't like the early stuff, that's OK, you just don't like them.  If all you've read is the last two books, then you should give them another try.  Howard, Moorcock, etc. never had such a horrible drop-off in the quality of their stuff.

Baron

#64
May 14, 2023, 03:27:14 PM
I've read and re-read the Fafhrd & Mouser stories many times, and I like them all very much. I would imagine that any difference in feel between the early ones and the late would be the format. Earliest were short stories written for periodicals. Later they were collected with interconnective material to make the books you get today. The latter ones are longer and written by an older author.

Tod13

#65
May 14, 2023, 05:25:52 PM
Quote from: I on May 14, 2023, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: Tod13 on May 14, 2023, 10:45:49 AM
Quote from: Omega on May 14, 2023, 02:28:46 AM
Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser books by Leiber. I have only read a scant few, but its been interesting so far.
Am I the only one who doesn't like these stories? I've tried several time over the years to read them and they don't work for me. Nothing "wrong" with them, but I just can't read them. Closest was one with "dogs" in the title in a Baen anthology. (There were no dogs - it was metaphorical.) I could read that one, but much prefer Robert E Howard, Edgar Rice Burroughs, Michael Moorcock, or John Norman.

There's a HUGE difference between the earlier F & GM books and the later ones.  As much as I love the earlier stuff, "Swords and Ice Magic" and "The Knight and Knave of Swords" (the last two books) I find to be mostly unreadable.  So if you don't like the early stuff, that's OK, you just don't like them.  If all you've read is the last two books, then you should give them another try.  Howard, Moorcock, etc. never had such a horrible drop-off in the quality of their stuff.

I always started at the beginning. Thanks for the suggestion though. (My wife got a similar suggestion from a fan of Dresden Files, who says Jim Butcher tells people to start with book 4. So we're buying the 1-6 bundle from ebooks.com.)

Ruprecht

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May 14, 2023, 06:16:39 PM Last Edit: May 17, 2023, 06:47:30 PM by Ruprecht
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Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing. ~Robert E. Howard

Persimmon

#67
May 14, 2023, 09:01:31 PM
Quote from: Ruprecht on May 14, 2023, 06:16:39 PM
Quote from: Tod13 on May 14, 2023, 10:45:49 AM
Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser books by Leiber. I have only read a scant few, but its been interesting so far.
Am I the only one who doesn't like these stories? I've tried several time over the years to read them and they don't work for me. Nothing "wrong" with them, but I just can't read them.



Yeah, as I said at the start of this thread, I've tried reading the Lankhmar stories multiple times (at least three) and find them boring as Hell.  No interest in the setting or any of the characters.  Just bad "Buddy thief" fiction.







Ruprecht

#68
May 16, 2023, 06:33:12 PM
Quote from: Tod13 on May 14, 2023, 10:45:49 AM
Am I the only one who doesn't like these stories? I've tried several time over the years to read them and they don't work for me. Nothing "wrong" with them, but I just can't read them.
Ii have exact same issue. I'm gonna give them another try but I just ... meh.
Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing. ~Robert E. Howard

Tod13

#69
May 16, 2023, 07:03:42 PM
Quote from: Persimmon on May 14, 2023, 09:01:31 PM
Quote from: Ruprecht on May 14, 2023, 06:16:39 PM
Quote from: Tod13 on May 14, 2023, 10:45:49 AM
Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser books by Leiber. I have only read a scant few, but its been interesting so far.
Am I the only one who doesn't like these stories? I've tried several time over the years to read them and they don't work for me. Nothing "wrong" with them, but I just can't read them.
Yeah, as I said at the start of this thread, I've tried reading the Lankhmar stories multiple times (at least three) and find them boring as Hell.  No interest in the setting or any of the characters.  Just bad "Buddy thief" fiction.

Sorry about that. I don't remember the author or country. I always see the names "Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser" and read the description and think, this sounds so cool! And I love the old pulp stuff. Doc Savage, Lovecraft, the guy who traded stories with Lovecraft (they killed each other in their stories) and whatnot.

Svenhelgrim

#70
May 17, 2023, 01:25:06 PM
One of my favorite barbarians was Armenius of the Cherusci tribe, who in AD 9managed to destroy Romes XII, XIII, and IX legions. 

As a young prince of the Cherusci he was educated in Rome by what ammounted to a "Barbarian Cultural Outreach" program.  He leanred a out Roman military tactics then set up a devatating ambush in the Tutoborg forest. 

He spent the rest of his life keeping the Romans out of Germania.

tenbones

#71
May 17, 2023, 09:23:52 PM
I found this *excellent* video series that covers the "Prince of Nothing" books by R. Scott Bakker.

Here is their entry for Cnaiur Ur Skiotha's people, the Scylvendi, The People of War.

https://youtu.be/L9rZwt-vBGs

Omega

#72
May 18, 2023, 04:57:18 PM
Quote from: Tod13 on May 14, 2023, 10:45:49 AM
Quote from: Omega on May 14, 2023, 02:28:46 AM
Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser books by Leiber. I have only read a scant few, but its been interesting so far.
Am I the only one who doesn't like these stories? I've tried several time over the years to read them and they don't work for me. Nothing "wrong" with them, but I just can't read them. Closest was one with "dogs" in the title in a Baen anthology. (There were no dogs - it was metaphorical.) I could read that one, but much prefer Robert E Howard, Edgar Rice Burroughs, Michael Moorcock, or John Norman.

For me it has been very hit and miss the ones I have read. Been ages though and the only one I remember is the one in Dragon.

Omega

#73
May 18, 2023, 07:05:27 PM Last Edit: May 18, 2023, 07:07:51 PM by Omega
Quote from: rhialto on May 14, 2023, 12:14:43 PM
Quote from: Omega on May 14, 2023, 02:28:46 AM
And one I have lost the name of was a series about a warrior who visits Atlantis and gets into various trouble. The one I read had him encountering followers of Baal and nearly getting sacrificed.

Elak of Atlantis, by Henry Kuttner?

I want to say yes. But no description I read has the part I read. It probably is Elak but not sure. All I recall was him arriving by boat, meeting a displaced noble and at the end getting caught and sacrifices being paced on a statue to I believe Baal and they died. The warrior figures out it is natural gas and I think blows up the temple. At the end he leaves by boat as he arrived.

Wrath of God

#74
June 11, 2023, 08:46:28 AM
QuoteThat got me thinking, not for the first time, either--but if these movie people are so concerned about BLACK REPRESENTATION, BLACK VISIBILITY, BLACK, BLACK, BLACK!--why don't they actually make a historical action drama movie about some Black African figure? Juba, a Numidian King during Roman times;

For OCD sake, I'm gonna notice SHARK, that Juba of Numidia, was not Black African but one of Amazigh - Berbers, who aside of Tuareg fall under Caucasian-Middle Eastern kin.
"Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon."

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With great vengeance and furious anger"

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