I  answered "mango chutney", as that answer is as orthogonal to the question as the OSR is to my gaming. I am happy for the people who are enjoying the plethora of OSR products, and loving the DIY aspect, but I have nothing to do with those products myself, and I dislike and distrust the casting of the OSR as a movement - I inherently distrust all movements, and actively avoid all of them. I ran D&D almost exclusively for 20 years, got burned out on it, and can no longer deal with it. Did the old school thing when it was new school. I can't even run fantasy properly any more. So it's purely personal, not any qualitative judgement on D&D or the wider OSR.

Hey, what do you know? This thread has reminded me why I am non-parpicipatory in Grognardia, The Forge, Dragonsfoot, Tenkar's Tavern and most other RPG sites. I can't be bothered slogging through endless arguments about the "One True Way" of gaming, and discussion that seems more based on hypothetical situations that might possibly crop up if one were playing with asshats than anything based on actual play experiences.

Maybe this is why I don't really give a fuck about OSR vs non-OSR. I play some retrogames, I play some D&D clones, I play some really old games, I play some new games. Role Playing Games. Story Games, Board Games, War-games, whatever they are all just games to me.

I haven't read a single Apocalypse World game. I own one iteration of Fate, and that because I like the subject, not because it's Fate. Never played Numenera, no interest in either 4e or 5e D&D. See no reason to upgrade to 7e CoC when 2,3,4,5,6 still work just fine for me.

http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=4771

For those wondering about "swine". Note, Pundy includes White Wolf (designers? gamers? some? all?) under the moniker, not just the Forge.

I kinda see Pundit's point but I don't endorse the details. I'm more with Trechriron--live & let live, but spare me the doubletalk.

Quote from: DavetheLost;861949Hey, what do you know? This thread has reminded me why I am non-parpicipatory in Grognardia, The Forge, Dragonsfoot, Tenkar's Tavern and most other RPG sites. I can't be bothered slogging through endless arguments about the "One True Way" of gaming, and discussion that seems more based on hypothetical situations that might possibly crop up if one were playing with asshats than anything based on actual play experiences.

Um, how exactly has THIS thread reminded you of that? I've seen no one championing a "OneTrueWay" nor making any argument that resembles what you're complaining about.

 I don't think you've read this thread at all.

*sigh*

Fine, fine, fine.

I, Opaopajr, profess from the bottom of my heart that the OSR is:
the one true way to roleplay,
more crucial to humanity than The Renaissance of 14th Century Europe,
the culmination of the printed word to be divined by us mere mortals through endless argumentation,
accepts a handful of sanctioned schools of thought on setting variation,
a rejection of all things porcine and power sharing,
and, not to be limited to,
a primer on life and the second coming of divine revelation to a fallen world.

All other non-believers are either living in ignorance and to be pitied and educated, or heretics of the way to be purged from the shining path. For the glorious coronation of the Church of Gygax Triumphant shall be everlasting, raising up from shadow a world crying out for guidance. Amen.



There. You can now cite me as the "they" who bully you unpenitant godless RPG mongrels from the well lit areas of the world, where truth and righteousness reign eternal... (along with Otus' b&w doodles and Jeff Dee's love of bellbottoms and muscular thighs). Carry forth on your impotent tilting against windmills, for you shall never defeat, or expect, the OSR Inquisition.

Love, Your Confessor in Let's Pretend Games,

Opaopajr.

PS: And you're wrong about alignment, too. Just accept it and atone.

Gaze upon the ground upon which I grow my fucks and behold that they are barren.

Quote from: Bobloblah;861909The term "Swine" is the Pundit's generic term of derision for those who have tastes in RPGs (or what RPGPundit would call Story Games, as opposed to "real RPGs") orthogonal to his. It's rather liberally applied, but in it's tightest sense would seem to refer to the authors and devotees of indie RPGs like Maid, Poison'd, Apocalypse World, and other RPGs heavy on narrative control.

I *rarely* agree with the Pundit on anything. But narrative games are not role-playing games. They are improvisational acting exercises. Role-playing games take place at the character level. Narrative games take place at the player level.

Quote from: TristramEvans;861983Um, how exactly has THIS thread reminded you of that? I've seen no one championing a "OneTrueWay" nor making any argument that resembles what you're complaining about.

 I don't think you've read this thread at all.

See page 12, or the discussion of "Narrative Games" vs " 'real' Role Playing Games"

Or the comment which imediately follows yours.

I don't think you read my post at all. I was not complaining about this site. People here seem to actually play games. I was calling out those other sites, and stating that the discussion here, and its general quality reminded me why I do not frequent those other sites.

Don't like what I have to say? Don't read it.

Quote from: DavetheLost;862015Don't like what I have to say? Don't read it.

Brilliant reply!

(But ... how can I know if I don't like what you say unless I read it?)

Quote from: aspiringlich;862025Brilliant reply!

(But ... how can I know if I don't like what you say unless I read it?)

First...get a time machine....

Quote from: Warthur;861838Indeed, FUDGE is another example of an incomplete game - indeed, it's deliberately even more incomplete and requires more work to take the basic principles of FUDGE and turn it around into a fully-featured game for your campaign.

Years ago, I picked that up; then I checked out FATE, hoping for a shortcut; then I threw in the towel. If I were to go back, though, I would leave out the elaborations of the latter.

Quote from: Phillip;861669But guess what? Again and again, people start threads on forums asking advice on which "retro-game" to choose. If there were no labels, they would just have to be invented; vocabulary is the raw material of conversation!

I have looked at a few of these so far and can see why someone would ask which one to choose. One reads like BX, one reads like 3e, one reads like AD&D, one reads like I am not sure what. and so on.

Quote from: Omega;862429I have looked at a few of these so far and can see why someone would ask which one to choose. One reads like BX, one reads like 3e, one reads like AD&D, one reads like I am not sure what. and so on.

Right, and deprived of the terms 'BX', '3e', and 'AD&D', you would not be able to construct that meaningful statement. Labeling, the division of phenomena into categories, is an essential conceptual tool.

Quote from: Phillip;861763That reminds me: What's the 5e licensing situation?

Still parcelled out on a case by case basis as of last check. About 5 or 6 publishers have deals now for so far single products each. And one getting a license to do accessories only. On the other hand they have also denied renewals of licenses. Figuring out exactly what WOTC is up to is not easy this time around.