Quote from: SHARK on February 05, 2024, 07:50:49 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 05, 2024, 10:56:35 AM

Quote from: Brad on February 05, 2024, 10:13:27 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 05, 2024, 01:20:01 AM
What is it with the woke and their total history illiteracy?

It doesn't fit their internalized narrative of "white man bad". It's actually hilariously racist to think about how all those poor brown people have always been oppressed and were never able to accomplish anything.

Speaking Aztecs, the only reason they got conquered by the Spanish is because of better tech. Anyone who doesn't think the Aztecs wouldn't have gotten on ships and taken over the Iberian peninsula if they had the means is a special kind of stupid.

Nope, the REAL reason the Aztecs got trounced is that they were such a monstrous empire EVERYBODY else hated them, convinced Cortez there was much gold to be had in Tenochtitlan and helped him with warriors and manpower (they helped him build Carabelas to sail the lake!).

Greetings!

Hey Geeky! Yeah, I've read where the Spanish talked about how badass and absolutely fierce the Aztecs were! Not just the warriors, in battle, but the fight was carried on *for years* with the civilian population, resisting the Sanish, led by surviving veteran warriors and Pagan Aztec priests.

And yes, Cortez soon very early on gained a critical ally--an Aztec woman, I forgot her name. Maybe she was a noble, or a peasant. Either way, she became his lover, confidante, and a key adviser. The Spanish sources discuss how she spoke several native languages, and soon learned Spanish. She was especially important as an interpreter, but even more so, is that she guided Cortez in all of the political and tribal politics and relationships. Soon, Cortez recruited some 50,000 native warriors, from other tribes, to fight against the Aztecs. So, his few thousand Spanish soldiers were not alone.

The Aztecs were powerful, and tough, and while the Spanish had some key advantages in technology--the Aztecs had many, many enemies that were eager to help a group of newcomers in bringing the Aztec Empire to defeat. The Spanish were surprisingly few in relative numbers--but, from my reading, they were all elite, very determined and professional, and absolutely inspired by their faith in God, and in the Spanish Empire.

I remember reading how Pozzaro, and like 500 soldiers, were in South America, the Incas as I recall, and outnumbered by thousands. Facing certain death, the Spanish didn't flinch a muscle. Instead, they drew their swords, and fired their guns, valiantly leaping into ferocious combat against their enemies! Awe-inspiring toughness, and courage!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

La Malinche, but she wasn't Aztec, she was Nahua, from what would become Veracruz, a Princess among her people, sold as a slave by the Aztecs, was Cortez's translator, latter converted to Catholicism, became his lover/concubine, Cortez built a palace for her and all her children were recognized as Cortez's.

Yep, the Spaniards were in awe by the Aztec's ferocity.

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on February 05, 2024, 05:11:00 PM
Nobody is disputing that Barker was an anti-semite; that now appears beyond reasonable doubt.

Stephen - you might consider it beyond reasonable doubt, but Omega, Brad, and now SHARK have all disputed it. SHARK just called it a witch hunt against Barker.

Quote from: SHARK on February 05, 2024, 07:11:17 PM
Screeching about MAR Barker's obscure book--that includes Nazis in it--but which seldom seem capable of discussing precisely whatever MAR Barker supposedly wrote, seems like yet more Woke fucking REEEing, and a witch hunt.

SHARK - it's not just a book that includes Nazis in it. It is an explicitly pro-Nazi novel.





And again, it isn't just that he wrote this novel for a neonazi publisher. He was also on the editorial board for a Holocaust-denial journal.

Quote from: Brad on February 04, 2024, 06:26:16 PMIf Barker was a real Nazi, he certainly sucked at it and didn't want anyone to know from what information has been revealed in this thread.

The best part about Marxists is their heroes are literally pedophiles, rapists, and murderers. And they brag about it with images on t-shirts.

While by the standards of the list, everything Barker wrote (except the Nazi book) should be green.
However, I think it's probably smarter to simply not even put it on the list, just because it'll be used to attack the list, and possibly even to get the list blacklisted from Google. Almost assured the next time some repeat criminal dies while being arrested anyway though.

The only other useful takeaway from this thread is that Brad here is pretty fucking based.

Quote from: jhkim on February 05, 2024, 08:49:26 PM

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on February 05, 2024, 05:11:00 PM
Nobody is disputing that Barker was an anti-semite; that now appears beyond reasonable doubt.

Stephen - you might consider it beyond reasonable doubt, but Omega, Brad, and now SHARK have all disputed it. SHARK just called it a witch hunt against Barker.

Quote from: SHARK on February 05, 2024, 07:11:17 PM
Screeching about MAR Barker's obscure book--that includes Nazis in it--but which seldom seem capable of discussing precisely whatever MAR Barker supposedly wrote, seems like yet more Woke fucking REEEing, and a witch hunt.

SHARK - it's not just a book that includes Nazis in it. It is an explicitly pro-Nazi novel.





And again, it isn't just that he wrote this novel for a neonazi publisher. He was also on the editorial board for a Holocaust-denial journal.

Greetings!

Cool, Jhkim. So, yeah, he wrote some weird novel. He also wrote an awesome game book.

He was an editor of some journal. Ok. Holocaust denial journal? Ok, so he had some really stupid ideas about politics and history.

What is the point though? David Irving--a scholar and historian--well known, wrote many books on World War II. He is especially famous for a stellar biography about Field Marshal Erwin Rommel. I own this book. A fine book of scholarsship and insight on the famous commander of the Afrika Korps.

Decades later--it comes to light that David Irving denies the Holocaust, and has written some scholarly papers or commentary revealing some historical perspectives that are unfortunate and disappointing, to say the least.

I suppose people change. Various prominent people do X very well, even brilliant--but are also alcoholics, cheat on their spouses, or are otherwise just fucktards as individual people.

What is the point though? It is what it is.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Venka on February 05, 2024, 10:06:28 PM
While by the standards of the list, everything Barker wrote (except the Nazi book) should be green.

Using the regular standards of the List, it should be rated by whoever currently publishes Tekumel, if anyone. If it's being published by Nazis or Communists who publicise their views then it should go on Red, whatever the setting content. It's the publishers who are rated. Wilderlands published by Bob Bledsaw II gets a different rating than Wilderlands published by Rob Conley.

Quote from: S'mon on February 06, 2024, 03:46:54 AM

Quote from: Venka on February 05, 2024, 10:06:28 PM
While by the standards of the list, everything Barker wrote (except the Nazi book) should be green.

Using the regular standards of the List, it should be rated by whoever currently publishes Tekumel, if anyone. If it's being published by Nazis or Communists who publicise their views then it should go on Red, whatever the setting content. It's the publishers who are rated. Wilderlands published by Bob Bledsaw II gets a different rating than Wilderlands published by Rob Conley.

I agree.

Quote from: jhkim on February 03, 2024, 10:21:56 PM
He is listed as being part of the Editorial Advisory Committee for The Journal of Historical Review, which is explicitly about Holocaust denial. You can see the archive of their credit listing him (as "Phillip Barker PhD of Minneapolis, Minnesota") here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20210518162602/http://vho.org:80/GB/Journals/JHR/index.html

I do not see him listed as an author offhand among the journal articles, but I also don't see the complete archives.

Thats about all I came up with too. He was editor but apparently not author. I thought I'd found an article when was investigating. But can not find anything now and Im not digging back through it all over again. Its not a pleasant endeavor.  It is still fishy though. If he was not a neo-nazi then what the fuck was he doing? Watchdogging? Spying? Or was he just keeping his wretched activities covert? Though I've never met a neo-nazi who could not shut their damn mouths at some point.

Quote from: Brad on February 04, 2024, 06:26:16 PM
This is all rhetorical, of course, because any sane person knows the right answer and any fucking lunatic will say whatever suits their agenda. If Barker was a real Nazi, he certainly sucked at it and didn't want anyone to know from what information has been revealed in this thread.

Exactly. I met him once at a little con running some Tekumel wargame back in the 80s and didnt know it. And he showed not a single indicator and theres nothing in the Tekumel books or novels either.

The underground Nazis in Serpent Walk whos ideals come across as pretty liberal "Leave us alone and we will leave you alone" sort of thing by the end.

This whole sordid tale is fucked up on multiple levels.

Quote from: Brad on February 05, 2024, 11:03:12 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 05, 2024, 10:56:35 AM
Nope, the REAL reason the Aztecs got trounced is that they were such a monstrous empire EVERYBODY else hated them, convinced Cortez there was much gold to be had in Tenochtitlan and helped him with warriors and manpower (they helped him build Carabelas to sail the lake!).

How dare you imply indigenous brown people were bad.

Thats a bog thing in woke culture. Censoring the non-whites whenever they point out the truth. Jewish comedians cant make jokes about their own culture. It is VERBOTEN!

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 05, 2024, 04:12:24 PM

he's a Neo-Nazi or an Islamist (if you really think those are different).

Thought he was a devout Islamist?

Quote from: jhkim on February 05, 2024, 04:48:01 PM
Geekybugle -- Omega and Brad both posted with doubt about whether Barker was a nazi sympathizer, based on his authoring of Serpent's Walk.

But his participation in the Journal of Historical Review removes that doubt. If you consider their posts off-topic, then take it up with them.

No. I said. Multiple times now. That nothing is positive either way. He's editor on this journal. He wrote and submitted a book to a neo nazi publisher knowingly. But he does practically nothing overt about it. We do not know the why of any of it. Odds are he was. But we can never likely know for sure. He kept it hidden too well.

Contrast this with the creator of Sea Monkies who was openly supporting a neo-nazi group.

Quote from: jhkim on February 05, 2024, 08:49:26 PM

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on February 05, 2024, 05:11:00 PM
Nobody is disputing that Barker was an anti-semite; that now appears beyond reasonable doubt.

Stephen - you might consider it beyond reasonable doubt, but Omega, Brad, and now SHARK have all disputed it. SHARK just called it a witch hunt against Barker.

Quote from: SHARK on February 05, 2024, 07:11:17 PM
Screeching about MAR Barker's obscure book--that includes Nazis in it--but which seldom seem capable of discussing precisely whatever MAR Barker supposedly wrote, seems like yet more Woke fucking REEEing, and a witch hunt.

SHARK - it's not just a book that includes Nazis in it. It is an explicitly pro-Nazi novel.





And again, it isn't just that he wrote this novel for a neonazi publisher. He was also on the editorial board for a Holocaust-denial journal.

Nice try. But the back blub and the art were likely done by the neo-nazi publisher. Not Baker. The book itself is rather not as pro-nazi as I expected to be. That is the problem and what casts doubt on this whole thing. If hes a neo-nazi then why did he not write a real pro-nazi book?

It's pretty clear that working on the board of a Holocaust Denial Pseudo-academic journal for years makes him a Nazi. No one who isn't a Neo-Nazi would be associated with that. He kept it as secret as he could manage, which makes it clear he knew that if the public found out it would destroy his public life, and yet he kept right on doing it at that enormous risk. No one is doing that for shits and giggles.

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 07, 2024, 06:08:43 AM
It's pretty clear that working on the board of a Holocaust Denial Pseudo-academic journal for years makes him a Nazi. No one who isn't a Neo-Nazi would be associated with that. He kept it as secret as he could manage, which makes it clear he knew that if the public found out it would destroy his public life, and yet he kept right on doing it at that enormous risk. No one is doing that for shits and giggles.

Pushing back here a bit...yes to second part. He knew he'd be ostracized for these views, so kept it a secret, sure. But Ahmadinejad is one of the most vocal and prominent Holocaust deniers in the world today and he's not a Nazi, at least so far as I can tell. So is it possible, like others have said, he was just a hardcore Muslim who held these beliefs and aligned himself with people of the same belief?

I guess in essence, is the only defining factor of Nazism Holocaust denial? There seems to be a lot more to it than that.

As I already said multiple times, immaterial anyway. Dude is dead and Tekumel doesn't have anything to do with Nazism, so as you already stated we should just see who is publishing it and use that as a metric for support (i.e. spending money).