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Where the heck is D&D 5e?

Started by 1989, November 12, 2013, 10:23:37 AM

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Mistwell

#120
November 19, 2013, 02:05:13 AM
Quote from: Emperor Norton;709655I think the concept was that 1e, 3e, and 4e Players can all build PCs in their preferred style and still play in the same game. I don't think they meant you can literally use the character from a different edition, because getting 1e, 3e, and 4e characters to all be compatible with one system would be a practical impossibility.

People are translating their 1e/2e characters to 5e without much trouble right now.  I think 3e/4e will need to wait for the customization/tactical combat modules to convert properly.

Emperor Norton

#121
November 19, 2013, 03:07:18 AM
Quote from: Mistwell;709697People are translating their 1e/2e characters to 5e without much trouble right now.  I think 3e/4e will need to wait for the customization/tactical combat modules to convert properly.

Aaaand this is different than what I said how?

My argument: The point wasn't that they could straight out use their characters from different versions, its that you can dial up or down the knobs to have a style of build comfortable to any of those types of players

Your response: People are already converting characters!

Hint: If they are CONVERTING characters they aren't sitting down with a straight up 1e character now are they.

Mostlyjoe

#122
November 19, 2013, 01:35:55 PM
My biggest issue with Next is I'm starting all over again. 3.5 really only got good for me around the Eberron era where Psionics, various alternative magic systems, and genre material was out there. It felt...hefty enough option-wise to play. Sure the feat/class bloat didn't help things, but it was easier to turn down an option than build one whole cloth.

If I pick up Next, great system or no, I'm back to scratch.

Exploderwizard

#123
November 19, 2013, 02:24:34 PM
Quote from: Mostlyjoe;709819If I pick up Next, great system or no, I'm back to scratch.

Welcome to the edition treadmill.
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Arduin

#124
November 19, 2013, 03:51:37 PM
Quote from: Teazia;709639Wotc (it may have been Mearls) said that Next was to allow for 1e, 3e and 4e PCs play next to each other in the same game.


If you believe that, just give me all your CC & bank account info as I have LOTS of oily stuff to sell you...

(you can PM me on this board.)

Omega

#125
November 19, 2013, 05:08:30 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard;709832Welcome to the edition treadmill.

Ye 5 Year Plan.

Why I skipped 4th ed. I knew 5th was coming. And Id be sorely tempted to skip 5th if I were not in the platesting. Because 6th will come. Barring WOTC being totally closed down in the intervening 5 or so years.

Mistwell

#126
November 19, 2013, 09:37:14 PM
Quote from: Emperor Norton;709706Aaaand this is different than what I said how?

My argument: The point wasn't that they could straight out use their characters from different versions, its that you can dial up or down the knobs to have a style of build comfortable to any of those types of players

Your response: People are already converting characters!

Hint: If they are CONVERTING characters they aren't sitting down with a straight up 1e character now are they.

How can someone with a descending AC and someone with an ascending AC use both characters in the same game without some level of conversion.  Don't be silly man, some basic level of conversion is necessary.  My point is that balance-wise, format wise, they work OK with each other with just the couple of minor tweaks.  They're not so fundamentally different that you need a massive re-work or simply starting over from scratch and a concept.

Mistwell

#127
November 19, 2013, 09:40:23 PM
Quote from: Mistwell;709603I recall asking him publicly almost as soon as he started posting, and he admitted it publicly.  I just didn't realize he was an alt to someone who had been banned here.  I remember The Rooster, but for some reason I either didn't know that was him, or forgot it...

Anyway, if anyone's search-fu is strong and you can find his first dozen posts here, you will see it.

But you're right, you should not simply trust my memory on something like this.  My memory is not my best feature, shall we say, and nobody should make a banning decision based on it.  Someone should do an IP check at least.  Or maybe just ask him directly?

OK I asked Kazch if GamerGoyf is him, and he said no. He said The Rooster was him, but not GamerGoyf.

The Traveller

#128
November 19, 2013, 09:41:22 PM
Quote from: Mostlyjoe;709819My biggest issue with Next is I'm starting all over again.
Some are saying that D&D Next is D&D Last...
"These children are playing with dark and dangerous powers!"
"What else are you meant to do with dark and dangerous powers?"
A concise overview of GNS theory.
Quote from: that muppet vince baker on RPGsIf you care about character arcs or any, any, any lit 101 stuff, I\'d choose a different game.

Bobloblah

#129
November 19, 2013, 09:48:33 PM
It certainly will be for me.
Best,
Bobloblah

Asking questions about the fictional game space and receiving feedback that directly guides the flow of play IS the game. - Exploderwizard

tanstaafl48

#130
November 19, 2013, 09:49:17 PM
Quote from: The Traveller;710025Some are saying that D&D Next is D&D Last...

I would be willing to bet that you could find someone saying the same thing about every previous edition.

That doesn't guarantee it's not true but... I would be skeptical until I see a couple of years of actual commitment.
"When a debater's point is not impressive, he brings forth many arguments."

TristramEvans

#131
November 19, 2013, 09:54:18 PM
Quote from: Mistwell;710024OK I asked Kazch if GamerGoyf is him, and he said no. He said The Rooster was him, but not GamerGoyf.

Was this in PM, or can you find the post?

Piestrio

#132
November 19, 2013, 09:57:34 PM Last Edit: November 19, 2013, 10:03:30 PM by Piestrio
Quote from: Mostlyjoe;709819If I pick up Next, great system or no, I'm back to scratch.

My biggest wish in the entire world is that Hasbro goes bankrupt after releasing the core game for D&D Next and via some bizarre and comical series of events the printer is obligated to continue printing it unchanged forever.
Disclaimer: I attach no moral weight to the way you choose to pretend to be an elf.

Currently running: The Great Pendragon Campaign & DC Adventures - Timberline
Currently Playing: AD&D

The Traveller

#133
November 19, 2013, 09:58:17 PM
Quote from: tanstaafl48;710029I would be willing to bet that you could find someone saying the same thing about every previous edition.

That doesn't guarantee it's not true but... I would be skeptical until I see a couple of years of actual commitment.
It is kind of about time, the whole editon mill idea was stupid from the get-go.
"These children are playing with dark and dangerous powers!"
"What else are you meant to do with dark and dangerous powers?"
A concise overview of GNS theory.
Quote from: that muppet vince baker on RPGsIf you care about character arcs or any, any, any lit 101 stuff, I\'d choose a different game.

Omega

#134
November 19, 2013, 11:57:04 PM
Quote from: The Traveller;710033It is kind of about time, the whole editon mill idea was stupid from the get-go.

Its not going to stop untill there is a catastrophic failure for one of the big companies and it is clearly shown that the 5 year plan was the problem.

As long as the suits believe that this system works, they will keep using it. Short of WOTC closing down the D&D line or a major shakeup of corperate mentality... We WILL see a 6th ed in something like around 5 years.
3.5 was in 2003, 4 was in 2008, 5 is in 2014.
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