Quote from: Mistwell;1129696"If my giving words of support to the millions of victimized women and men, including a brave one who stood before the world to fight, at the top of our show angers you as "politicizing", then you are more than welcome to get the FUCK out of our game and into some proper therapy."

Hey, look! It's another virtue signalling mouthpiece trying to gatekeep against those who don't share his politics!

Look, I dont think that you could expect Matt to support every victimized woman.

At best just the ones that support his channel.

Well you know... they're not victims if the accused are people with the right politics. Of course this has to be lensed through the Intersectional Madness Framework, which tends to induce cannibalism quite a bit.

Quote from: Mistwell;11296961) Actually googling "Matt Mercer believe all women" gets only two links, both back to right HERE! Here you can try it yourself.

2) He does not in fact say or imply Believe All Women in that. Here is the full text of your link:

"If my giving words of support to the millions of victimized women and men, including a brave one who stood before the world to fight, at the top of our show angers you as "politicizing", then you are more than welcome to get the FUCK out of our game and into some proper therapy."

So how is that "believe all women"? Again, I may well have missed it, but I seem to still be missing it?

Were you guys just assuming he said that and ranting from that assumption without ever actually confirming it's a position he's held? If not, can ANYONE provide a link to him ever saying that?

I used the quotes to designate the exact string I typed in...are you really that dense or are you just pulling a jhkim? :rolleyes:
...how about we try the second link under the search?

https://twitter.com/matthewmercer/status/1045873582423724032?lang=en

Oh wait...that doesn't look so good for Matt either...

#believeallwomen was the rallying cry of the poundmetoo movement and Mercer never made any bones about his commitment to that.
...And that is Pundy's entire point. When you have to change your principles for political expediency it means you really don't have any principles.

Quote from: Zirunel;1129594Who cares? Does it matter what some online rpg guy has to say about any of this? Does it matter if he says nothing at all?

Certainly I don't give a flying fuck about his thoughts on this. Or his lack of them.

Full disclosure, I don't live on Twitter desperately seeking shit to get outraged about, so maybe I'm out of the loop on this one.

So, I'm guessing you didn't watch the video? Because there I explain WHY it matters in Mercer's particular case. Because he brought #metoo and #believeallwomen politics into D&D. And made a big point about how anyone who didn't believe Judge Kavanaugh was absolutely unquestionably guilty and should be barred from office, because a WOMYN said so, needs to be thrown out of the Critical Role Fandom, the D&D hobby, and literally forced into mental "therapy", Breshnev-era Soviet-Style. All for not Believing All Women.

Now, all of a sudden he has chose to not say the same about how people must think Joe Biden is guilty & should be barred from office.

Quote from: JeffB;1129611I don't give a Flying F about Mercer either- however the issue is, when it benefitted his preferred politicians/party he was quick to make sure he felt we should be "believing women".

And demanded Witch Hunts against anyone who refused to, with forced institutionalization as "what they needed" for their wrongthink.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1129664Do we know if anyone's confronted him about it? I'd be interested to see his reaction.

I confronted him. He muted me and suggested I was harmful, and implied to his followers that they should brigade me.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1129704Which victims is he mentioning? Assuming they're of the #MeToo variety (a safe assumption)...which has the mantra "Believe All Women"...he's therefore supporting said mantra.

On his show, before that post, he had, during a Critical Role video, made a declaration of unquestioning support for Christine Blaisey Ford and calling for "justice" against Judge Kanaugh. It was very clearly based on #BelieveAllWomen which every leftist believed unquestionably until the moment Tara Reade showed up. Now they will  try to pretend that "no one ever said that, NO ONE ever said to believe all women, that's crazy-talk, women are lying whores and should never be believed (if they are accusing a Democrat)".
This in turn will last until the moment they don't need Biden anymore, and some other woman says something about a white male who isn't a democrat, and then they'll claim that they ALWAYS #believeallwomen and always have, and that anyone who refuses to believe and destroy the man's life or career on the flimsiest of accusations needs to be sent to a gulag for nazism.

Yep, Mercer's types have always been bald-faced liars and hypocrites.  What's changed is that they've gotten sloppier about hiding it, because they assume (with some evidence) that they can get away it.  Every time one gets caught, we get the immediate song and dance routine of denial, diverting, irrelevant to the point counter attacks, and eventually letting the subject drop only to start the lies all over again in a few weeks or months when it comes up again.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1129704Which victims is he mentioning? Assuming they're of the #MeToo variety (a safe assumption)...which has the mantra "Believe All Women"...he's therefore supporting said mantra.

Naw man, BelieveAllWomen is a subset of MeToo but is not interchangeable with it. You can support MeToo without supporting BelieveAllWomen and many do.

Quote from: jeff37923;1129728Hey, look! It's another virtue signalling mouthpiece trying to gatekeep against those who don't share his politics!

Don't be that nutter Jeff, this isn't my cause. I had a friend who was once falsely accused of sexual assault (charges dismissed after she confessed to the police she made it up to try and force him to not divorce her), and I don't support BelieveAllWomen.

I am asking for support for the allegation that Mercer supports BelieveAllWomen. I can ask for the evidence of that without being all those things, right? Or is this one of those weird "You must agree or you're the enemy" type bullshit things?

My African American studies professor in college (Ohio University) got into a tussle with my Feminist Theory professor (same) once with the issue of women making false rape accusations. Notably, the latter said that you should always believe an accusation because it's almost never the case for a woman to make up such a horrifying life-destroying charge. The former pointed out that black men had been accused of such on a fairly regular basis by white women only to be exonerated by DNA evidence later on or admissions, even though it was often after their lives had been destroyed.

It was a deeply personal and emotional issue for both of them.

Likewise, one of my family was sexually assaulted and called a liar, leading to a lifetime of trauma and self-loathing.

I think that gamers, as a whole, should take these accusations seriously and maybe not use them to score cheap political points.

Quote from: moonsweeper;1129784I used the quotes to designate the exact string I typed in...are you really that dense or are you just pulling a jhkim? :rolleyes:
...how about we try the second link under the search?

https://twitter.com/matthewmercer/status/1045873582423724032?lang=en

Oh wait...that doesn't look so good for Matt either...

#believeallwomen was the rallying cry of the poundmetoo movement and Mercer never made any bones about his commitment to that.
...And that is Pundy's entire point. When you have to change your principles for political expediency it means you really don't have any principles.

"When so many of my friends and community who have suffered through sexual assaults and abuses are reliving their trauma because of "politics", you better believe I will call a woman who stands against the privileged tide to tell her story a hero."

Yup, nothing in there about BelieveAllWomen either.

You understand if a person is accused of supporting BelieveAllWomen they have to say they Believe All Women at some point right? This isn't hard. It's not one of those implied support things, and it's not one of those subtle movements where you have to suss out support from context and implications. It's a blatant in your face slogan-based movement. You don't have to try and figure it out because people tell you the words I Believe All Women when they support BelieveAllWomen or they post that hashtag on their posts.

If this is his stance, it should be super easy to find him posting those words or that hashtag.  So where is it?

Quote from: RPGPundit;1129986On his show, before that post, he had, during a Critical Role video, made a declaration of unquestioning support for Christine Blaisey Ford and calling for "justice" against Judge Kavanaugh.

That is, also, not BelieveAllWomen. That's a BelieveThatWoman allegation.  Sort of like if I say I BelievePundit that's not a statement of BelieveAllMen.  You know this. Someone can believe Ford without believing all women who make a sexual harassment allegation. Reasonable minds can differ about the Ford case, without it being some bright line proof they believe all allegations by women.

QuoteIt was very clearly based on #BelieveAllWomen which every leftist believed unquestionably until the moment Tara Reade showed up.

Well that's bullshit on top of bullshit. It's not "very clearly" that and not "every leftist" believed that. I mean I get given your biases YOU believe that about every leftist, but you believe all sorts of weird crap which isn't self evident or proven.

If Matt Mercer has ever said he Believes All Women, show me where HE SAYS HE BELIEVES ALL WOMEN.

If you cannot show me that (and not implied because this isn't some vague implied movement it has a fucking slogan attached to it which you used demonstrating you know damn well that's the slogan) then admit you just assumed he supports that.

Am I the only one who thinks "Believe All Women" is a perfectly valid take and that the whole Tara Reade thing isn't enormously hypocritical as the caveat can still include, "Until there is substantial evidence that the claim is untrue?"

I mean, it feels like a lot of people have a GOTCHA moment when it's...not really?