Quote from: Sadras;1144484Lawful stupid runs rampant on sites like those.

EDIT: Apparently advocating for real life mental illnesses to be included in the game is acceptable, but making a suggestion in jest that if one desires such realism then perhaps one could adopt the 1e mechanic where men are stronger than women, that sends progressives into rage, frothing at the mouth, screaming sexism and a threadban.
I imagine the site of a 1e PHB would Turn or (if fortunate) Destroy Progressive.

I got blocked by multiple people on twitter for saying that I agree with the 1e stat modifiers by sex.  Of course I now see the error in my ways.  I now think they don't go nearly far enough.  The female maximum for strength should be applied equally to both sexes for nonhuman races.

Quote from: kidkaos2;1144486Yes.  I'm putting forth the idea that #believeallwomen SJW's aren't merely hypocritical, they are actively bad/evil.  I think it's worse than just being inconsistent.  What we're talking about here is violent crime.  This isn't like complaining about the Koch brothers but giving Soros a pass or complaining about capitalism while using your iphone and wearing your Nikes.  That is garden variety hypocrisy that both sides engage in.  But the things the left has been doing in the past few months are a much worse situation where they will excuse or defend violent criminals whether they are Democrat politicians accused of sexual assault or rioters assaulting people and destroying property or censoring Covid information that disagrees with the accepted experts.  This is a case of peoples' partisan actions causing violence, robbery, and death.  I realize it sounds hyperbolic, but it's actually true.

This is right on the verge of being off-topic political. Don't go on outside of the topic of gaming, please.

Quote from: Warpiglet;1144425Absolutely.  I am looking forward to it.  I am planning to drop a lot of the church and class things into my D&D game.

I think playing a more historical game would be nice to try as well if I can get my buddies to try it!

You don't need to go full medieval authentic to add some serious flavor to your game. Just having a monotheistic church is a huge break from most campaigns.

Many underestimate just how much just adding a few 'authentic' elements to their game will change things for the GM and players. Especially when incorporated into a D&D campaign.

Quote from: Jaeger;1144595You don't need to go full medieval authentic to add some serious flavor to your game. Just having a monotheistic church is a huge break from most campaigns.

Many underestimate just how much just adding a few 'authentic' elements to their game will change things for the GM and players. Especially when incorporated into a D&D campaign.

I am right with you on this.   I do have a monolithic church.  They have recast other religions as backwards and no one from An old faith would hold office or authority.

I realized later that the unquenchable brazier faith even has division across nations.  I wanted some strife between/within and later realized it was sort of a Byzantine/Rome split.  Not intentional...and there is more serious hostility.  Who knows?  Maybe an intra faith war?

But agree with your points.  I think Lion and Dragon will give it (the faith) some Real teeth in the world.

Quote from: Warpiglet;1144602I am right with you on this.   I do have a monolithic church.  They have recast other religions as backwards and no one from An old faith would hold office or authority.

I realized later that the unquenchable brazier faith even has division across nations.  I wanted some strife between/within and later realized it was sort of a Byzantine/Rome split.  Not intentional...and there is more serious hostility.  Who knows?  Maybe an intra faith war?

But agree with your points.  I think Lion and Dragon will give it (the faith) some Real teeth in the world.

Would a monolithic church of a united (tight) pantheon work out about the same? This would be where priests serve the pantheon, not the individual dieties.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1144604Would a monolithic church of a united (tight) pantheon work out about the same? This would be where priests serve the pantheon, not the individual dieties.

In a way. The way I have it is that various deities were recast as saints of the church but only have power because of 'God' and are shown to be subservient.  Clerics of the deities may not like that but those who did not convert are seen as primitive and unenlightened.

So they still get spells etc., but their institutions have no temporal power.  The true faith is professed by rulers and nobles.  

That is why when I learned more about Lion and Dragon I thought it would make this dominance and monolithic power have some teeth.  I want the players to know challenging it's powers a real decision point in the game with potentially fatal conflict following.

I also want to make nobility a thing.  As in, joe peasant does not mock or defy a noble openly
Without real danger...

Quote from: HappyDaze;1144604Would a monolithic church of a united (tight) pantheon work out about the same? This would be where priests serve the pantheon, not the individual dieties.

IMHO no. It's just not the same thing at all.

Quote from: Jaeger;1144609IMHO no. It's just not the same thing at all.

It would still be one faith, even if that faith is in a set of beings rather than one. What's the part of that furthest from being the same thing?

Quote from: HappyDaze;1144613It would still be one faith, even if that faith is in a set of beings rather than one. What's the part of that furthest from being the same thing?

I sort of do that in my current Folia campaign; I'm using the dragon Gods from the all Dragon campaign setting the name of which escapes me... and I've opted to have it more like the Greek Orthodox Church; no real Pope lots of theoretically equivalent Bishops each representing one member of the pantheon... there are shared resources, certain branches are made up of worshipers of different gawds, like the Inquisition which has some lawful neutral by comparison decent Folk and some that are shall we say not nice people?

Quote from: Jaeger;1144609IMHO no. It's just not the same thing at all.

GRR Martin tried to have his cake and eat it with the Faith of the Seven in GoT/ASoIAF. I think it wasn't very plausible, at least the later TV show episodes where they got very expressly Catholic-y.

Wait, doesn't Eberron have something like this? I need to recheck.

Quote from: Ghostmaker;1144676Wait, doesn't Eberron have something like this? I need to recheck.

It starts there but then gets more complicated. Eberron has one major faith based on a pantheon that gets divided into a good/civilized and an evil/uncivilized set. It also has two significant lesser faiths, one based on an impersonal divine force that traps evil things and another based on an emerging divine force within each living being. Beyond those, there are a handful of racial and regional faiths plus some splinter cults.

The key thing in Eberron is that none of the deities directly speak/interact with mortals, not even through magical/divine social media. They don't have material forms and they don't list their extraplanar addresses anywhere, so there's no proof that they exist at all. Divine-sourced powers are still used by mortals, but there's still a lot of mystery as to how & why certain mortals get those powers.