I have posted up a petition for Demon the Fallen 10th Anniversary Edition!! Please check it out at: http://www.change.org/petitions/white-wolf-ccp-make-a-demon-the-fallen-10th-anniversary-edition

Fixed your link. I'm going to leave this here for now because it could generate a conversation and it's not a true "new item" by the strictest sense of the term. So I propose we talk on this thread not only about whether people want Demon the Fallen and signed the petition and whatnot, but also about what people might want to see as far as the Onyx Path and Anniversary Editions of the OWoD games go.

So: Demon the Fallen, want/do not want?
What would you like to see republished by WW as far as Onyx Path/OWoD is concerned?

Personally I think Werewolf and Mage should be the priorities here, as far as additional games are concerned besides Vampire. This is the "true" trilogy of the WoD for me.

Then I'd like to see Wraith the Oblivion, which is one of the better games of the line that's been IMO hugely miscast and could be great with some Onyx Path supplements that emphasize the way it's supposed to be used. Necropolis: Atlanta would be the inspiration there.

I would think about Mummy next, and then maybe Changeling and Demon the Fallen. Hunters I didn't care about AT ALL, and I puke on Kindred of the East big time: it was a major drop that participated in killing my interest in the OWoD back in the day.

The thing about Demon for me is that it felt very much like a tired copy of Vampire in many ways, but where you play Demons instead. The writing was cool, the basic premise of the game cool as well, but I didn't get an urge to "PLAY THIS NOW" so ... I don't know. It IS a cool game and I would certainly play it and use it in by Nights and whatnot, but at the same time, there's nothing fundamentally "new" or original for me there. It's cool the game has a following though, and I hope you get what you want in the end.

I wouldn't buy it, but then I never read the original. It's existence wouldn't offend me.

You know what would be really cool too? Promethean: the Created for OWoD.

Quote from: Benoist;540422Personally I think Werewolf and Mage should be the priorities here, as far as additional games are concerned besides Vampire. This is the "true" trilogy of the WoD for me.

Then I'd like to see Wraith the Oblivion, which is one of the better games of the line that's been IMO hugely miscast and could be great with some Onyx Path supplements that emphasize the way it's supposed to be used. Necropolis: Atlanta would be the inspiration there.

Agree 100% with all of the above. Vampire, Werewolf and Mage are the holy trinity of the WoD, old or new. Can't say I care about oWoD Demons and Mummies (except as NPCs), though I have a love/hate thing with oWoD Changeling.

Wraith is funny. It's a game that claimed to be misery tourism, and which most people believed was about misery tourism. Turns out it was actually about the Afterlife being this maginificent, bleak weird fantasy RPG setting, with the king of ghosts gone and several ghostly factions vying for power and you had to beware other ghosts because they could capture you and use your ectoplasm to build things and there were these crazy, fucked-up other ghosts who come with storm that obliterate existence and transport you to a nightmarish funhouse dungeon inside your head where you confront your Jungian evil half.

I got into Wraith by way of Vampire (I played a Clan Giovanni elder at a LARP and used Wraiths as spies and agents all the time) and it's one of the most criminally underrated RPGs ever. Trad gamers hate it because they believe the misery tourism thing and won't even touch it; hipsters hate it because of the weird dark fantasy angle and not enough wallowing in self-pity. End result: Wraith: The Oblivion, the best RPG I've never played.

Quote from: The Butcher;540430Wraith is funny. It's a game that claimed to be misery tourism, and which most people believed was about misery tourism. Turns out it was actually about the Afterlife being this maginificent, bleak weird fantasy RPG setting, with the king of ghosts gone and several ghostly factions vying for power and you had to beware other ghosts because they could capture you and use your ectoplasm to build things and there were these crazy, fucked-up other ghosts who come with storm that obliterate existence and transport you to a nightmarish funhouse dungeon inside your head where you confront your Jungian evil half.

I got into Wraith by way of Vampire (I played a Clan Giovanni elder at a LARP and used Wraiths as spies and agents all the time) and it's one of the most criminally underrated RPGs ever. Trad gamers hate it because they believe the misery tourism thing and won't even touch it; hipsters hate it because of the weird dark fantasy angle and not enough wallowing in self-pity. End result: Wraith: The Oblivion, the best RPG I've never played.

Nailed it. I would run Wraith for you.

I just thought it was annoying as hell having other players handle my character's Shadow.  I knew what they were capable of.

Anyway, Demon was my favorite part of the oWoD line along with HtR, so I'll sign it.

No. No I don't.

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Quote from: Benoist;540426You know what would be really cool too? Promethean: the Created for OWoD.

Now that would be cool. Maybe all you need in that case is a Translation Guide not a whole game. I agree with you that Vampire/Mage/Werewolf should be done first before say Demon or Changeling. If they were to do Demon I would just like them to fix the powers. The author even admits they're borked.

They are doing a whole new Mummy so I don't see them doing a redo but stranger things have happened .

I'd be cool with Demon, but it didn't grab me as much, so I never got out of my way to buy it. But if it's cheap enough I might give it a whirl, just to add to my collection of Demon & Angel RPGs.

It's funny though, my take on OWoD is very different. I pretty much could care less about Mage and most of Werewolf. Whereas my big loves were first Changeling, KotE (along with Hegenyokai) second (not a big fan of the anime comics or wu xia bent though), Vampire Dark Ages, Wraith, and Mummy. Vampire the Masquerade interests, but it's a mere accessory to my VTES CCG interest, and the Sabbat v. Camarilla v. Anarch triangle interests me much less than Laibon & Ashirra & Quincunx. Interestingly the same applies in Changeling -- Europe and general Kiths are rather a 'whatever' whereas the Nunnehi, Hsien, and Inanimae is where I wanted to play.

Basically I wanted to play "that which was not in your game," and as a result ended up not getting any good games of OWoD in during its peak. I wanted to play dark 'the rest of the world,' and most tables wanted to play dark modern Europe and America. Oh well, if you can't beat 'em, run your own games.

Quote from: Benoist;540422The thing about Demon for me is that it felt very much like a tired copy of Vampire in many ways, but where you play Demons instead. The writing was cool, the basic premise of the game cool as well, but I didn't get an urge to "PLAY THIS NOW" so ... I don't know. It IS a cool game and I would certainly play it and use it in by Nights and whatnot, but at the same time, there's nothing fundamentally "new" or original for me there. It's cool the game has a following though, and I hope you get what you want in the end.

Funny.  My impression was that you had these near-godly beings who used to muck about the Earth until Something Bad Happened and they all got exiled, and once they got access to this plane again they could only re-enter by possessing mortals, and had maybe an iota of their previous powers, and could only "recharge" that energy by associating with mortals... so to me, that spells CHANGELING: The Dreaming with a really bad hangover.

What pissed me off about that is that Changeling had just been cancelled for low sales, and I liked it because it was one of the few WoD games that wasn't unrelentingly grimdark (which of course means I wasn't the target audience, but oh well), and since DEMON was in large measure the same concept, just more depressing, it seemed to be a repackage for the people who wanted their changelings "all mental and evil n'shit."

JG