Quote from: RPGPundit;1016023Yes. I helped make it successful.

So, you don't like to see competition.

Quote from: TrippyHippy;1014151In answer to the OP question, and in relation to your latter comments, the reason why Shadow of the Demon Lord appears to be disappearing up it's own anus is self evident in this thread.

I wouldn't judge the system by one over enthusiastic poster. It is quite interesting, WFRP is only one element in the stew. And it is far from a failure, they just put out a new pirate-themed campaign Queen of Gold in November so I think it is doing fine.

Quote from: Cave Bear;1016056So, you don't like to see competition.

1. It's not like I get royalties or something. I got paid, very well, but I don't make any extra money from 5e succeeding.

2. Whether or not I like competition is quite irrelevant. I was making a statement of fact: 5e was enormously successful, and games that tried to set themselves up as direct rivals to the 5e concept did not do well (or as well).

Quote from: RPGPundit;10165261. It's not like I get royalties or something. I got paid, very well, but I don't make any extra money from 5e succeeding.

You use this forum to market your games. You drive sales by
1. Putting on this libertarian RPG Pundit persona to build brand identity
2. Having your name attached to D&D 5E

More competition means fewer 5E sales. Fewer sales for 5E means less exposure and fewer sales for you.

So of course you'll make sure that any game that looks like competition against 5E  gets bad press.

Quote from: Cave Bear;1016548You use this forum to market your games. You drive sales by
1. Putting on this libertarian RPG Pundit persona to build brand identity
2. Having your name attached to D&D 5E

More competition means fewer 5E sales. Fewer sales for 5E means less exposure and fewer sales for you.

So of course you'll make sure that any game that looks like competition against 5E  gets bad press.

Your reasoning is flawed. What you call "more competition" doesn't necessarily mean fewer 5e sales from those that purchase SotDL. There is nothing in owning one that prevents buying the other unless funds are exceptionally tight. I personally own both SotDL and D&D5e, and so do several of my fellow gaming buddies. Among my group, including those that that own D&D5e, none have purchased any of Pundit's products (with no particular reasons voiced), so I think that your suggested draw of having an author's name associated with D&D5e is overstated too.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1016567Your reasoning is flawed. What you call "more competition" doesn't necessarily mean fewer 5e sales from those that purchase SotDL. There is nothing in owning one that prevents buying the other unless funds are exceptionally tight. I personally own both SotDL and D&D5e, and so do several of my fellow gaming buddies. Among my group, including those that that own D&D5e, none have purchased any of Pundit's products (with no particular reasons voiced), so I think that your suggested draw of having an author's name associated with D&D5e is overstated too.

Pundit likes to shit on other games. When he's not shitting on "negadungeons" he's shitting on "anti-5E".
I have to wonder what his motives are.
Is he just trolling for attention?
Is it jealousy?
Or is there a profit motive behind it?

Quote from: Cave Bear;1016582Pundit likes to shit on other games. When he's not shitting on "negadungeons" he's shitting on "anti-5E".
I have to wonder what his motives are.
Is he just trolling for attention?
Is it jealousy?
Or is there a profit motive behind it?

OK, so it's more about Pundit to you than the game(s). In that case, why not go directly to Pundit's forum and ponder it there? I'm fairly sure he'll reply if he's interested (and if it's about him, he's probably at least a little interested).

Quote from: HappyDaze;1016596OK, so it's more about Pundit to you than the game(s). In that case, why not go directly to Pundit's forum and ponder it there? I'm fairly sure he'll reply if he's interested (and if it's about him, he's probably at least a little interested).

I only care insofar that it affects our ability to actually discuss games.
He doesn't come into these threads to meaningfully contribute to the topic at hand.
He just pops in to shitpost.

I'd rather talk about the fact that Shadow of the Demon Lord has a pentagram on the character sheet, and a sick fuckin' demon on the cover. It's metal as fuck.
But the Pundit is always like:

Quote from: RPGPunditHarumph! It's anti-5E! Buy my game! Harumph!

Yeah, I get it Pundit. You aren't running this forum out of the kindness of your own heart. You are running this forum so you can shill your pdfs and charge for advertisement space, and any thread that discusses SotDL or LotFP isn't making you any money. I'll say no more about that. I'm done here.

Bye.

Quote from: Voros;1016120I wouldn't judge the system by one over enthusiastic poster. It is quite interesting, WFRP is only one element in the stew. And it is far from a failure, they just put out a new pirate-themed campaign Queen of Gold in November so I think it is doing fine.

Wow, finally new campaign. I just love the philosophy of having 2-3 page adventures to not overwhelm the GMing role.

QuoteYou got paid to be a consultant for 5E.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1016023Yes. I helped make it successful.

Was it all collective team work or were there some of the design decisions you are responsible and proud of? If so, what are they?

Not much in the RPG world will ever compete with the big dogs (D&D, Pathfinder). So comparing yourself to them is pure folly. No one (with any horse sense) makes a game to compete with D&D. Charles is not an idiot. He just made a game he wanted to play, with the enthusiasm of a wild-eyed grizzled veteran, and knocked his "heartbreaker" out of the park. If you wander 5ft outside theRPGsite and poke around, this truth will jump up and bite your balls as unto like the proverbial snake you didn't see (before it bit you in the balls). (That's me being funny, not kicking anyone in the balls...)

Compared to the rest of the market (and if you haven't been paying attention, I pay attention to these things...), I believe SotdL is doing well for Schwalb Entertainment (the man himself and a cadre of freelancers IIRC). It is readily and frequently supported, people buzz about it all the time, and after a couple glance-throughs, it's easy to see why.

It's fast, well thought out, dripping with flavor, and the class-system is savvy fun for the D&D crowd. It's familiar so D&D people can pick it up fast and includes dark sexy WFRP-like mechanics that mesh wonderfully with the core D&D-like base. It's plainly obvious these blokes know what they're doing.

I've seen the book at my fav PNW game store Olympic Cards and Comics. I'm sure your FLGS can order one up as easy as any other game.

Is Shadow of the Demon Lord better than Zweihander or WFRP? Who the fuck cares? Pick up some games, read them, playtest them with your group and pick the one that turns you on (you can sell the others on eBay or RPGGeek). I've played several versions of WFRP and read both the other games and frankly they all have their little gems and merits.

Quote from: Cave Bear;1016548You use this forum to market your games. You drive sales by
1. Putting on this libertarian RPG Pundit persona to build brand identity
2. Having your name attached to D&D 5E

More competition means fewer 5E sales. Fewer sales for 5E means less exposure and fewer sales for you.

So of course you'll make sure that any game that looks like competition against 5E  gets bad press.

Man, that's a ridiculous stretch.

This forum was popular long before I did 5e and has been popular years after I was done with WoTC.

I have spent most of my time before and after promoting NOT 5e, but OSR games.

Also, it's ridiculous to think that anything I do could make 5e more popular. Well, actually, a lot I did helped make 5e more popular, but I already did that, and that's why the game succeeded.

Quote from: Cave Bear;1016609Yeah, I get it Pundit. You aren't running this forum out of the kindness of your own heart. You are running this forum so you can shill your pdfs and charge for advertisement space, and any thread that discusses SotDL or LotFP isn't making you any money. I'll say no more about that. I'm done here.

Yeah, you got me. The $30 a month I get from the couple of people at a time who aren't advertising free is the reason I put 10 years of my life into this forum.

Quote from: jux;1016643Was it all collective team work or were there some of the design decisions you are responsible and proud of? If so, what are they?

There were a few. I was a bit advocate (note: possibly not the only one) for Advantage/Disadvantage, which was initially a relatively minor mechanic that they seemed very unsure of, and that at one point appeared like it might be removed altogether.  I made it clear it was a killer-app and should be the central way to handle modifiers.

I had a very big role in the core character classes and how they were handled.

But really, probably my biggest contribution was not in terms of things that ended up in the game, but in things that DIDN'T. I was constantly fighting to stop the game from becoming more complex, which some of the design team seemed hell-bent on wanting to do.

I was ruthless in my opposition. Which even Mearls has stated was exactly what I was hired to do.