Remember there was that pulp Cthulhu investigation game that had some cool art that Pundit was involved with in some way and had a kickstarter a long time ago? Did that ever come out?
I think you are talking about Raiders of R'lyeh (http://raidersofrlyeh.com/).
Still not out.
I was involved as a consultant. It has all the potential of being a really great CoC variant. I really hope it sees print.
So it's CoC set in 1910? Oookay...What makes it distinctive?
Quote from: The_Shadow;830460So it's CoC set in 1910? Oookay...What makes it distinctive?
It has a more pulpy style than the regular CoC, it's set in a really interesting period that's in between the staid victorian era and the 'roaring' 1920s. It incorporates strong elements from real-world occultism and occult history.
Will Raiders of R'lyeh use the BRP system?
I don't have a problem if it uses another system, but I like the BRP system, and it works.
Quote from: Claudius;830774Will Raiders of R'lyeh use the BRP system?
I don't have a problem if it uses another system, but I like the BRP system, and it works.
From the previews it uses a BRP system derived from RuneQuest (via the Mongoose RuneQuest OGC) rather than CoC. So, it will be largely similar but not 100% compatible. More like 80% compatible.
Quote from: RPGPundit;830768It has a more pulpy style than the regular CoC, it's set in a really interesting period that's in between the staid victorian era and the 'roaring' 1920s. It incorporates strong elements from real-world occultism and occult history.
Whoa. Interested! I will have to check this out.
Quote from: yojimbouk;830777From the previews it uses a BRP system derived from RuneQuest (via the Mongoose RuneQuest OGC) rather than CoC. So, it will be largely similar but not 100% compatible. More like 80% compatible.
I'd say about 95% compatible, really. I would describe it as a BRP game with some innovative modifications; but it would be extremely easy to use with CoC.
Quote from: RPGPundit;831076...but it would be extremely easy to use with CoC.
Assuming it ever comes out.
Quote from: yojimbouk;830777From the previews it uses a BRP system derived from RuneQuest (via the Mongoose RuneQuest OGC) rather than CoC. So, it will be largely similar but not 100% compatible. More like 80% compatible.
Quote from: RPGPundit;831076I'd say about 95% compatible, really. I would describe it as a BRP game with some innovative modifications; but it would be extremely easy to use with CoC.
It's not BRP, and it's not the Mongoose RuneQuest SRD, it's quite clearly Mongoose Legend mixed with Call of Cthulhu. From the samples released on the site you can see plenty of Legend specific rules, Combat Styles become Fighting Methods, etc, even to the extent of using the term "special maneuvers" which is a mix of Legend's "Combat Maneuvers" and "Special Effects" from RuneQuest 6. Call of FrankenQuesthlhu.
Honestly, to me those are all so similar that I don't get the distinction. There won't be rules for making runes in the game, so I don't see why the distinction matters. There will be a sanity mechanic (though not quite the same as CoC's, though easily convertible if you prefer to stick with CoC's method). There will be all the standard ways of handling skills, etc.
The only BRP-type game I ever played in any meaningful quantity was CoC (a little stormbringer too, but that's pretty much it). And when I look at Raiders, I think it seems pretty basically translatable into CoC with almost no fuss.
Quote from: RPGPundit;831576Honestly, to me those are all so similar that I don't get the distinction. There won't be rules for making runes in the game, so I don't see why the distinction matters. There will be a sanity mechanic (though not quite the same as CoC's, though easily convertible if you prefer to stick with CoC's method). There will be all the standard ways of handling skills, etc.
The only BRP-type game I ever played in any meaningful quantity was CoC (a little stormbringer too, but that's pretty much it). And when I look at Raiders, I think it seems pretty basically translatable into CoC with almost no fuss.
The distinction matters because RoR seems to be mixing OGL systems, like Legend, with others like Call of Cthulhu and BRP, which aren't OGL, or creative commons, without being really clear about what it's doing or giving clear acknowledgement to the authors, publishers or systems. It gives the appearance of being a bit underhand, whether it actually is or not, I can't say. I would have thought it would have been far better for the project to make an arrangement with Chaosium before starting the project, whether it uses CoC rules or not. Even Trail of Cthulhu, which has no mechanical similarity to CoC, clearly declares "by arrangement with Chaosium", which suggests they developed a relationship with Chaosium before they went ahead even though, I would guess, they had no legal need to do so, they are doing so more from professional courtesy. I have no idea if this is correct, I'm just suggesting this is the appearance it gives me personally.
Simply setting the time period to 1910 seems an incredibly thin justification for a different system than CoC. Using Legend seems a bit of a rules pile-on frankly, as are all the new additions like the differentiated sanity systems. I'm getting this all from a brief read through of the publicly released draft pdfs, so its just a first impression.
Quote from: Bilharzia;831606The distinction matters because RoR seems to be mixing OGL systems, like Legend, with others like Call of Cthulhu and BRP, which aren't OGL, or creative commons, without being really clear about what it's doing or giving clear acknowledgement to the authors, publishers or systems. It gives the appearance of being a bit underhand, whether it actually is or not, I can't say.
So I suppose you think that a huge chunk of the OSR is 'underhanded' too?
It's all quite achievable using the OGL/SRD from Legend or OpenQuest or Renaissance or Mongoose SRD. They just need to list all the different publications in their OGL statement at the back and they're good to go.
I'd say reference ALL of those and you're fine.
Quote from: RPGPundit;831973So I suppose you think that a huge chunk of the OSR is 'underhanded' too?
It's not the case that Call of Cthulhu needs a revival, it's the core of Chaosium, who have never released the system, or BRP under OGL or CC as far as I'm aware, I don't think it's comparable. It just does not seem like a good idea to leave it so unclear, if you can't tell the difference it might suggest it's creating confusion either deliberately or through negligence.
Quote from: tzunder;831976It's all quite achievable using the OGL/SRD from Legend or OpenQuest or Renaissance or Mongoose SRD. They just need to list all the different publications in their OGL statement at the back and they're good to go.
I'd say reference ALL of those and you're fine.
And CoC? ;)
Quote from: Bilharzia;831994It's not the case that Call of Cthulhu needs a revival, it's the core of Chaosium, who have never released the system, or BRP under OGL or CC as far as I'm aware, I don't think it's comparable. It just does not seem like a good idea to leave it so unclear, if you can't tell the difference it might suggest it's creating confusion either deliberately or through negligence.
I don't see what "confusion" you're concerned with. It's not advertised as a Chaosium product, or licensed by Chaosium, or anything like that.
It's using an open set of rules, but even if it wasn't, game rules can't be copyrighted. It feels to me like you're the one with some sort of unjustified beef here.
Quote from: RPGPundit;830439I was involved as a consultant. It has all the potential of being a really great CoC variant.
Quote from: RPGPundit;832277I don't see what "confusion" you're concerned with. It's not advertised as a Chaosium product, or licensed by Chaosium, or anything like that.
Well, I think it was advertised as *something* like that, at least, you seemed to think so!
My beef is that it's Yet Another Delayed Kickstarter...
Quote from: Brad;832312My beef is that it's Yet Another Delayed Kickstarter...
Yeah... I like a few of the hints of the book we've seen, but it's pretty disappointing how it's gone.
Quote from: Brad;832312My beef is that it's Yet Another Delayed Kickstarter...
That is a good beef to be had.
Quote from: Brad;832312My beef is that it's Yet Another Delayed Kickstarter...
See, this here? It's a totally legitimate beef.