This is just a fit of pique that'll last until 2025. This whole cultural decade 2015-2025 is a write-off. Even the youth, no, especially the youth!, have written this era off. From manga & K- pop to retro-video gaming (since when were Rogue-likes king of the mountain this long?) to hardcopy purchases of classic movies & American comics, huge swaths of this Western age is being rejected wholesale by younger people.

RPGs are about storytelling and tapping into the mythic, hard to get more core to humanity than that. And as novel as sharing the speaking stick and casting out the asleep non-believers may seem, such gossipy politics has foundations worse than sand. Polemics are too hard to make lasting art because they are too stark, they lack transcendent nuance and ambiguity. There is no mystery to them so they age like defined fashion; by naming it, codifying it, it dies. When everyone has to do it to conform it is already passé.

Quote from: jmarso on October 30, 2021, 01:03:30 AM
God, I'm a newb to this site and I swear it's like that first breath of fresh air to a drowning man. 

53 yr old Grog who started with AD&D in '79. Played every edition except 4th. Experienced some weird stuff at the table the past couple years, and have actually drifted back to a 2E campaign with some like-minded, more mature people as a result, and have been enjoying the hell out of it. I just hate like hell to see my favorite hobby infected with this leftist mental illness that seems to have its hooks into EVERYTHING these days.

Greetings!

WELCOME TO THE RPGSITE, Jmarso!

Post more, sir. Lots of conversations and discussions here about all kinds of things!

A breath of fresh air indeed! It's like an island of sanity amidst a sea of insane nutjobs, or uber-tyrannical sites full of Marxist, SJW drones and POD people, like in the old movie "Invasion of the Bodysnatchers" with Donald Sutherland. Yeah, that last scene, where Sutherland opens his mouth and screams the drone noise, with that soulless, crazed look on his face?

That's how I view the SJW's that have infiltrated the hobby nearly everywhere.

Pour some fresh coffee. Feel free to light up a fine cigar or a good pipe. Again, welcome!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

A big part of the problem is that too many people simply do not understand what is happening here.

The SJWs ARE cannon fodder, being directed by an elite. Understand that SJWs have absolutely NOTHING else in their lives, so to fill in the void they will simply be "woke" and "fight" for whatever cause is put in front of them at the moment. It is the elite that controls them, and they are VERY good at controlling mainstream thought.

Consider my age, and what I've seen. For example, normalizing homosexuality actually started more in earnest during the 1970's. The threat of World War 3 in the early 1980's (the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and Ronald Reagan's election) seemed much more likely, so as always leftism died down because it was actually a dangerous time that could be seen. One look at the movies, television programs, etc. from that era will prove this: they were far more masculine overall than most of the 1970's.

But then came another factor: AIDS. By the latter half of the 1980's it was certainly a big story, but after Gobachev taking power in 1985 the Cold War cooled down. Notice the pop culture that appeared at this point: "Oprah," "Married with Chidren," etc. So once again heavy leftism started appearing openly again, including normalizing homosexuality and putting it into the mainstream. But AIDS presented a problem: it was a crisis for all according to the mainstream, yet everyone knew it was especially prevalent among homosexuals for obvious reasons.

In other words, because of AIDS any effort to normalize homosexuality should have been doomed to fail from the start- but like I'm seeing here now people underestimated how clever and treacherous that elite is and always was. Instead of being a disease transmitted largely by the sexual practices of homosexuals they were made out to be tragic victims, surrounded by hateful bigots who had no compassion for their apparently unavoidable situation. They were made out to be almost heroes in some tragic story, and movies like "Philadelphia" enforced this notion.

This was absolutely the best example of snatching victory from the t-rex jaws of defeat I have ever seen in my entire life.

In the now-dead website "Return of Kings" people were saying SJWs and leftism would be defeated, passe, gone...back in 2016. Didn't quite work out that way, did it?

The actual mythology of England was lost, I mean the stuff from long before King Arthur, long before. This sort of thing has happened before. So yes, it did happen there, and it will happen again.

Statues being torn down. History books being rewritten. Schools becoming indoctrination centers, with Marxist teachers no longer even trying to hide it.

RPGPundit, you still miss the point. Look at lists made right here about what the leftists have taken over. Look at was to have happened to "Lord of the Rings:" a politically-correct porn extravaganza, for crying out loud they have successfully banned DR. SEUSS books! Inertia in society is as real as in physics, and the left is gaining more and more every day.

SJWs are merely cannon fodder. It does not matter if they consume themselves along the way, just as long as they get the job done first. Bomb and airplane example. They are so dense they do not realize that the elite I speak of hates them as much as it hates us, and even if space aliens grabbed us and took us away forever tomorrow their fates will not change- death. Yet they have nothing else. By eliminating traditional structures a void was left behind, it wasn't give and take, it was all take with nothing in return. I hear from that relative of mine about how Baby Boomers are alone, increasingly in nursing homes, I pointed out that Generation X was much smaller so what did they expect? Women are miserable now because they believed lies without ever noticing the elite pushing radical feminism (among other things) never practices it. Opposing people like us, any enemy, is all SJWs have. I keep saying that because it cannot be stressed enough: no matter how much they hate and fear each other (TERFs and "transsexuals," BLM blacks and white leftists, etc.) as long as the eternal enemy- white straight males- exist and anything they stand for they will move in the direction they are given, because they can now do nothing else.

Understand this, folks: thanks to the failure of the so-called "Greatest Generation" to nip this in the bud long ago, thanks to the baby Boomers going along with it, we are almost at the point where it is a zero-sum game- us or them. Look at the oppressive laws passed, look at people being banned from conventions- for what?- look at...does it sound like 1981 where rational discussion and give and take was possible?

Year Zero is what we are heading for, and that elite will make its cannon fodder, and the "woke" politicians, do whatever it takes to achieve this. I was around in 1981 and aware of what was happening, and if I went back in time and started telling people what 2021 would be like NOBODY would have believed it- heck, I could have made money selling it as a dystopian science fiction story.

DO NOT underestimate what is happening now. Remember that just a few years before any major- and bad- upheaval in human history things always seemed normal on the surface. If I went back in time to 1912 or 1935 do you think anyone would have believed my warnings? If I went back to late 1987 and told people the Soviet Union would be gone, collapsed, do you think anyone would have believed me? No. So I do wonder if owning "racist, sexist, hatemongering" RPG stuff can land you in jail in the coming years.   

There is something we have now- who is "The Man" now? Who bullies, censors, bans now? Who removes Youtube channels now? The newest generation sees this and does not like it. Young girls do not like the threat of "transsexuals" in the locker rooms and bathrooms with them; point out who is responsible. Young boys do not like being drugged and bullied in school into writing papers about how evil they are and no matter how much better they try to be it won't matter because "diversity" must come first. That generation sees what is happening and they know they despise it. That is a factor in our favor. Let them know they are not alone. Read that comment from the newcomer just above- THAT is how we can win, if we can ever win. That is what we must do to win, and it must be sincere.

Keep up the OSR work, RPGPundit. Small things add up. Even a killer asteroid can miss if it's deflected just a little in time. Let the new TSR know people are wishing them the best. If you are an artist, a writer- post. There are people starving for it now.

Repost- sorry. 

Didn't the Clintons make the Dems "Centrists" the way Devils are the GOP and the Demons are the Dems/Center-Left? They all protect the rich elites who pad their elections. Look at them gut the "GREAT" Dem debt-bomb that will "SAVE AMERICA!" Because Trump didn't leave Americans with Stimulus-heavy accounts not to mention his tax-cuts that helped even the Middle Class.

Now I'll be honest: GOP or Dem, they're ALL crooks. They all protect their corporate masters that keep getting them elected. Because not enough Americans actually vote. If the Dems can turn southern states blue when they want it's only a matter of time before the hippies run the show ON DEMAND.

Where the GOP can regain ground: Pro-Life stance and the Rule of Law. The traditional aspects of the 4th Wave. The GOP can ALWAYS push back the Dems by painting them as Anarchist Atheists that enjoy killing babies. 

QuoteThe actual mythology of England was lost, I mean the stuff from long before King Arthur, long before. This sort of thing has happened before. So yes, it did happen there, and it will happen again.

There was no mythology of England from before King Arthur, because there was no England before King Arthur, and King Arthur if he had any real source was most like Britton Celt, and his legends are Celtic and pre-English in origin. English - or more correctly Angles and Saxons were Germanic tribe from Northern and Western Germanic area - kin to modern Frisians - that started to settle in Britian, conquering and subjugating Brittons, estabilishing own kingdoms in place of fallen Roman Empire and Celtic states. England as cultural ethnicity is at best 1500 years old. Before that Angles and Saxons lived in Germany, and Great Britian was indeed Brittonic - and we know well not all, but quite a lot from Brittonic or Gaelic mythologies and legends and folklore.

QuoteIf I went back to late 1987 and told people the Soviet Union would be gone, collapsed, do you think anyone would have believed me? No.

In 1987? After Chernobyl? It was much more widely expected indeed. Though I guess expectations were like decade longer, but yes in 1987 agony of Soviet Union was quite clear.

QuoteThe SJWs ARE cannon fodder, being directed by an elite. Understand that SJWs have absolutely NOTHING else in their lives, so to fill in the void they will simply be "woke" and "fight" for whatever cause is put in front of them at the moment. It is the elite that controls them, and they are VERY good at controlling mainstream thought.

Assumption that anyone really controls this whole bullshit happening now, is widely exaggerated. Sure there are powerful cliques, and coteries, and secret circles. But the point it - you cannot control world. Soviets couldn't do it. Even North Korean government who went to extreme miles to do it - it's not like top notch controled. Fallen reality is chaos. Elites just know how to ride on waves of chaos, and stay on top.

make sure this thread doesn't veer off into general politics discussion. Only stay within the topic.

Quote from: Aglondir on October 25, 2021, 09:10:53 PM
They don't want strong empowered women. They want women (and black people, and trans, etc.) who will STF up and Do What They are Told. When they push back against The Narrative, they are no longer useful.

As one of my old players once said.
"A bunch of dykes wanting to turn me into their dyke slave."

And you see this in all fields now, not just gaming. If a woman doesnt agree with their agenda then they are kicked out and oppressed by women. Keep in mind it was a bunch of women in the 90s iteration of this mess that took over WOTC from the inside out. They've been sniping at anyone who left ever since.

Which is why I say the damage isnt going to go away like Pundit thinks. Because it didnt last time and here we are. And last time was not even a fifth as bad as this iteration.

The point I'm trying to make is that SJWs are merely a symptom, not the cause. Right now they are the ones being used by the elite to destroy western civilization. Does anyone here think a gang of Trigglypuffs could possibly organize and get anything done?

No, nobody in 1987 thought the Soviet Union would collapse back in 1987. Yes, it was hurting- but look at America right now. A ruined economy, social decay and fracturing, a 30 trillion dollar deficit...it looks worse now for us than "they" did in 1987. Trust me, I was there and just...no. I remember how surprised people were when it did happen.

Tolkein himself wanted to give his country a mythology- whatever it was called back then, its mythology was lost.


People here must realize that there isn't just an effort to destroy our culture, but to muddy it up- which is the same thing. If AD&D becomes indistinguishable from the current rubbish, if Luke Skywalker is remembered as a useless weak hermit drinking giant alien manatee milk, if Thor is a feminist woman- then the same end has been accomplished.

The world CAN be taken over, because the technology is better. Here in New York State they have those toll-structures, even driving under them they know who you are. Most people are doing 70MPH, thousands go under every day, many without EZ-Pass or the like- but they know. We live in "interesting times," and the only way to stop what is happening is to offer better choices and to tap into the frustration people feel with the modern-day garbage.

Folks, it's now or never. It CAN be done, but the opposition never rests and has been at this for a long, long time. NOBODY in 1981 would have believed me if I described 2021, nobody. Yet here we are. I rest my case.

QuoteDoes anyone here think a gang of Trigglypuffs could possibly organize and get anything done?

Yes. Indeed, yeah. No problem. Thing is unlike 20-30 years ago, power of social media i like really really huge thing.
So all wicked tumblerinas, and twitterati can easily find each other, and feed each others outrage.

But of course not just them even if game is skewed in favour of left and liberals. Social media allowed also conservatists, reactionary, nationalists, libertarians to find each other, and organize. Meet other folk of your own, which was not easy even in relatively right-wingish country as mine. And while our believes are of course widely superior to anything left-ey, there's quite a lot of basement dwelling nerds around, and well internet helped to organize, even though generally speaking we're suited to it not that much (maybe better than tumblerinas, but there is unfortunately more tumblerinas that Catholic Monarchists, oh well.)

QuoteNo, nobody in 1987 thought the Soviet Union would collapse back in 1987. Yes, it was hurting- but look at America right now. A ruined economy, social decay and fracturing, a 30 trillion dollar deficit...it looks worse now for us than "they" did in 1987. Trust me, I was there and just...no. I remember how surprised people were when it did happen.

Sure they did. Maybe not like dissolve into 15 states (though aside maybe of Ukraine they did not mean much as Russia is just so big chunk of USSR), but like fall as political empire. Dissolution of Warsaw Pact. It was all in air, and democratic, antisocialist opposition in countries of Eastern Europe was still quite vital.

QuoteTolkein himself wanted to give his country a mythology- whatever it was called back then, its mythology was lost.

This mythology was non-existent because English as a people are relatively young nation, and their origins are well documented which makes mythologization bit harder.
So sure Tolkien wanted to do it - but it was artificial project. English cannot have classic type of mythology any more than other young nations.

Quoteif Luke Skywalker is remembered as a useless weak hermit drinking giant alien manatee milk

With all grievances about TLJ, I think most people shall remember Luke totally owning Kylo Ren as hologram. (Not to mention - Luke was really really bad Jedi material in OT, and people just forgot).

Quoteif Thor is a feminist woman- then the same end has been accomplished.

But you know various people along way get Mjolnir and Thor-like powers and it's there from like 80's or something. Not to mention Thor from the beginning was travesty upon original mythology?

QuoteThe world CAN be taken over, because the technology is better. Here in New York State they have those toll-structures, even driving under them they know who you are. Most people are doing 70MPH, thousands go under every day, many without EZ-Pass or the like- but they know. We live in "interesting times," and the only way to stop what is happening is to offer better choices and to tap into the frustration people feel with the modern-day garbage.

Yeah, tell it to Afghans. I mean developed countries can invigilate their population better indeed they can. But that's hardly the world. The world is like 200 countries. Of which I'd say about 10 has imperial potential or ambitions or both. And neither is strong enough to take whole cake. No US, no Russia, no China.