Quote from: Iron Cross;1122785Dark supernatural horror, witchcraft, devils, an authentic medieval theme, and a detailed campaign setting.

So, Lion & Dragon, set in Dark Albion, using Cults of Chaos?

Quote from: RPGPundit;1123118So, Lion & Dragon, set in Dark Albion, using Cults of Chaos?

Yes.  I'm putting together a campaign world and Dark Albion will be one area of the world.  However I'll be using Midderlands product New Lunden for London because it has more detail.  I like Lion and Dragon but then PC hit die system is too weak.  It's hard to get people to play.  I'll be using Swords and Wizardry because there are more products available for it in terms of setting, for example from Frog God Games.  Don't get me wrong.  I like Lion and Dragon, and own it but it's such a hard sell to players.  So is Chivalry and Sorcery, but at least I like you as a creator.  The creators of Chivalry and Sorcery I can't stand.  They suck.  They are British SJWs.

Real originality?

Sure. You took Gary's idea and copied it to make (wink, wink) your own game. Kinda.

Come up with something different than Vancian Magic, THAC0, and the same old six.

You're a collection of house-rule you feel I should pay for.

I won't buy S&W or any OSR product that's "same but different". 2O years ago, Bard Games gave me something like, but not, D&D.

Be DIFFERENT.

Quote from: Theory of Games;1123162Real originality?

Sure. You took Gary's idea and copied it to make (wink, wink) your own game. Kinda.

Come up with something different than Vancian Magic, THAC0, and the same old six.

You're a collection of house-rule you feel I should pay for.

I won't buy S&W or any OSR product that's "same but different". 2O years ago, Bard Games gave me something like, but not, D&D.

Be DIFFERENT.

   Doesn't that undercut one of the strengths of the OSR, though--the fact that there's a mechanical lingua franca that allows people to start with the familiar and build out in new directions, and can thus be cannibalized and cross-bred by others for both commercial and private use? At least, that's what I've always thought was one of the strongest and most appealing parts of it and the general OGL movement.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1123188Doesn't that undercut one of the strengths of the OSR, though--the fact that there's a mechanical lingua franca that allows people to start with the familiar and build out in new directions, and can thus be cannibalized and cross-bred by others for both commercial and private use? At least, that's what I've always thought was one of the strongest and most appealing parts of it and the general OGL movement.

You stand correct, but I think Theory of Games was talking about Retro clones and not games like Godbound, Stars Without Numbers, and so on.

I'd like to see a supplement on weeaboo fightan magic, but written in a European style rather than Eastern mysticism. Like, instead of fighters cultivating qi they train their orgones or something. This allows them to pull off action movie stunts and such. Or at least gives them more utility because the linear warrior quadratic wizard thing drives me insane.

I agree with Theory of Games about producing something different.

I love S&W: White Box because it cleaned up OD&D and made it easy to introduce to new players. But now I don't need another OD&D retroclone.

But I'm all good to look at any OSR product that revamps or reinvents OSR ideas while maintaining old school play.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1123193I'd like to see a supplement on weeaboo fightan magic, but written in a European style rather than Eastern mysticism.

Check out Godbound. It's OSR Exalted. Highly recommended.

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I loved running Liberation of the Demon Slayer back in 2015, but I'm afraid the Citalopram I'm on now has severely reduced my interest in sleazy S&S! :-O (lots of great sex with lovely girlfriend may also be a factor)

For myself, I'd be cash in hand for something that really pushed the fairy tale tropes, vs. ersatz Tolkien, sword & sorcery or 'the old west in renfaire garb'.
So a different magic system for starters, spontaneous and not limited to a single class... maybe based on some notion of nobility/honor/spirituality or purity/desire/corruption. Maybe tied to something like Passions in Mythras/Pendragon... so a sister could give her brother a charm that is powered by her love for him, a witch has powers fueled by her desire for tasty children, etc.
Also, favoring clever tricks over direct melee. Maybe just making fair fights risky/deadly.
Maybe some way to make in-game romance viable and not cringey... without getting all meta about it either.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1123216Check out Godbound. It's OSR Exalted. Highly recommended.

I think you misunderstood. I didn't mean playing as gods, but as "standard" adventurers whose martial classes can pull off cool stunts because I despise the linear warrior quadratic wizard trope.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1123285I think you misunderstood. I didn't mean playing as gods, but as "standard" adventurers whose martial classes can pull off cool stunts because I despise the linear warrior quadratic wizard trope.

If you guy the book they have rules on martial arts, how to create martial arts, and how to play as a mortal.  You can even roll the "HP" (should honestly be called HD if you ask me) into a number d6 of actual HP.  Your dreams are very much possible.

To answer the question the thread title proposes. this is what I have to say.

What I want in an OSR game is pretty simple. I want something I can't get anywhere else. I want unique ideas. New approaches that make the game something unique and special. Something that WotC can't and won't put out for their product line.

The OSR is about alternative expression. Alternative ideas. And I would like to see far more of that expressed.

Lion & Dragon was a good example. But I want more stuff like it. I want a whole catalog of styles to choose from. For there to be potentially something for everybody. Something to satisfy every interest. I want a gigantic diversity of ideas that I simply can't get from WotC.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1123285I think you misunderstood. I didn't mean playing as gods, but as "standard" adventurers whose martial classes can pull off cool stunts because I despise the linear warrior quadratic wizard trope.

There's the low powered options of Godbound. AKA, much like Dragon-blooded Exalted who are powered mortals.

Another option is check out EXEMPLARS & EIDOLONS also from Kevin Crawford. It's also powered mortals, but its a FREE pdf
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/144651/Exemplars--Eidolons?src=newest

BTW, the linear warrior / quad wizard doesn't really exist in OD&D. That's mostly an issue in 3e because mages get too many spells and its too easy to load up on dozens of spells via scrolls and items. In my OD&D games, a 10th level Wizard vs. a 10th level Fighter are perfectly good choices for why you'd pick one vs. the other without feeling a wide power difference. As always, the wizard shines when casting the big spells, but in OD&D, the blasty spells are usually less useful than the utility spells and you get much fewer of them and item creation (if even part of the campaign) is usually much harder than 3e.

Of course, 4e also "solved" the LW/QW trope too. Unfortunately, most people didn't enjoy WotC's solution.

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Gang, just so you know, this post quoted is a word salad with a SPAM linked dressing.

Anime artwork, "edgy" setting material, and maybe the authors can take some harsh potshots at punk culture and the Millennial generation in the text every now and then.

I say we should embrace what is edgy and reject what is woke and "deep".

No more pretentious pseudo-intellectual "games are art" bullshit!