Quote from: Doc Sammy;919347So, can't we all agree that 1e was so much better than Revised? At least thematically.

I don't fully agree. Only because like 99% of the RPG's I own and run, I make them my own.

My Vampire is a syncretic version of every edition, with bits and pieces I like/don't like. My own twists to things. And booze. Mix and play on.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;919347So, can't we all agree that 1e was so much better than Revised? At least thematically.

Its hard to say since you are strongly advocating the "trenchcoat/katana/dark superhero" interpretation in this thread, so I'd be tempted to say whatever edition supported that the least would be my preference.

Quote from: TristramEvans;919412Its hard to say since you are strongly advocating the "trenchcoat/katana/dark superhero" interpretation in this thread, so I'd be tempted to say whatever edition supported that the least would be my preference.

Which is none.  Your just out of luck.

Quote from: Snowman0147;919419Which is none.  Your just out of luck.

Guess thats why Dark Ages: Vampire is the only book from that line I still own.

Why do people act like "Trenchcoats and Katanas" in WoD is a bad thing? It's awesome and fun!

If anything is a bad thing, it would be "Personal Horror". Whining and wangsting like a bunch of mopey crybaby Goths, honestly I do not see the fun in that at all.

But that's just me. I mean, if a petulant edgelord like Martin Ericsson can make it in the gaming industry, then I don't know what to believe anymore.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;919504Why do people act like "Trenchcoats and Katanas" in WoD is a bad thing?

Because some people didn't pick up a game about personal horror and underworld politics just to have players turn it into Highlander:The Series. Your fun is your own,obviously, but it doesn't hold any interest for me.

Quote from: Shipyard Locked;916230What was playing Vampire: The Masquerade like in the earliest days of the game?

I found it exciting and mysterious. The red-rose-on-green-marble cover was enigmatic. The book really seemed to evoke a feeling of lost aeons of secret history and a Byzantine mythos of darkness lying under rain-slicked streets.

I played in some personal-horror-and-dripping-with-atmosphere games. I played in trenchcoats-and-katana games that I would have described as "like Dresden Files" if those books had existed yet. Those were both there from the beginning. But the biggest thing I felt the WoD lost as time went on was that sense of mystery; that there were engimatic depths hidden in the shadows. It's not just that the game line kept filling in all the blanks... it's that the game line was largely filled with mediocrity.

Or maybe I just grew up. I've actually resisted going back to revisit VtM in recent years for the same reason I refuse to re-read Dragonlance: Legends. I have really good memories of it, and I'm pretty sure the reality is not going to stand up to my experience as a 10-12 year old.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;919504Why do people act like "Trenchcoats and Katanas" in WoD is a bad thing? It's awesome and fun!

Honestly? If I wanted to do "Trenchoats & Katana" I'd use a supers-system. It would probably be hilariously good action-packed fun.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;919504If anything is a bad thing, it would be "Personal Horror". Whining and wangsting like a bunch of mopey crybaby Goths, honestly I do not see the fun in that at all.

Well as I stated earlier - I guess it depends who you play with and why. Precisely ZERO of my WoD players identified with being "whining wangsty mopey crybabies" about anything. And certainly not in regards to the idea of personal horror. Perhaps it's because we all came from fairly gritty backgrounds in real life. Personal horror is horror. Now I recognize that bit is lost on a whole lot of people. But did you consider the fact that you perceive personal-horror in this context means that you've allowed those very people that you're probably right in disregarding, to color your view of the possibilities of what personal-horror might actually be in regards to gaming? It's a waste of some huge opportunities. (or not if you don't give a shit. I dunno some people have no stomach for horror)

It has nothing to do with Goths, or any other specific sub-culture. So it's funny to me that you zero in on this as representative of something it's not, ironically the very thing you're saying you apparently don't like. Hell go check out what's really horrific in the world and play your game in relation to that.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;919504But that's just me. I mean, if a petulant edgelord like Martin Ericsson can make it in the gaming industry, then I don't know what to believe anymore.

I believe you just limited your conception of an entire genre to someone that you give less than two-shits about, so why do that?

Quote from: Justin Alexander;919566But the biggest thing I felt the WoD lost as time went on was that sense of mystery; that there were engimatic depths hidden in the shadows. It's not just that the game line kept filling in all the blanks...

One thing I started doing fairly early on was randomizing Vampire supernatural powers and weaknesses for each campaign. In some, vampires couldn't cross running water.  In others, holy water worked regardless of the Faith of the wielder.  It kept the players from getting blase about their state as undead.

Quote from: tenbones;919570I believe you just limited your conception of an entire genre to someone that you give less than two-shits about, so why do that?

The butthurt is strong in this one.

Quote from: daniel_ream;919579The butthurt is strong in this one.

Uhh are you referring to me? I'm just pointing out his view of "Personal Horror" is being defined by people he apparently doesn't care about. What's butthurt about me? (if that's the insinuation)

Edit: unless of course you don't think Horror is a worthy thing to have in an RPG...

Well, RIFTs does have vampire nations, and Champions is roughly within the same system wheelhouse... If you're in it for the pyrotechnics and not the genre, it might be the better choice?

I certainly wouldn't want to push Storyteller system repeatedly through the whiz-bang combat paces that would entail an equivalently awesome Supers session. I'd be liable to chuck the system out the nearest window if I had to process that over and over again. Very loose system, like a beanbag, doesn't do robust combat details so well... very handwavium after a while, like a goth pretending to be a willow in the wind.

I have considered porting Vampire: The Masquerade's 1e fluff over to Big Eyes Small Mouth 1st Edition. So that way it would be compatible with the Sailor Moon Role-Playing Game and Resource Book, which is a bonus.

Quote from: tenbones;919581Uhh are you referring to me? I'm just pointing out his view of "Personal Horror" is being defined by people he apparently doesn't care about. What's butthurt about me?

I was referring to the good Doctor.  Perhaps "the butthurt is strong in that one" would have been better phrasing.

Quote from: Opaopajr;919604I certainly wouldn't want to push Storyteller system repeatedly through the whiz-bang combat paces that would entail an equivalently awesome Supers session. I'd be liable to chuck the system out the nearest window if I had to process that over and over again.

Isn't that basically what Aberrant and to some extent Scion were, though?  I know Scion had some breath-takingly bad system issues, but I never saw Aberrant in the the wild.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;919610I have considered porting Vampire: The Masquerade's 1e fluff over to Big Eyes Small Mouth 1st Edition. So that way it would be compatible with the Sailor Moon Role-Playing Game and Resource Book, which is a bonus.

Yes.  You really, really like anime.  We get it.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;919610I have considered porting Vampire: The Masquerade's 1e fluff over to Big Eyes Small Mouth 1st Edition. So that way it would be compatible with the Sailor Moon Role-Playing Game and Resource Book, which is a bonus.

BESM is a very solid system! I wholly support you in this! Then you could run a Vampire Princess Miyu equivalent.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;919610I have considered porting Vampire: The Masquerade's 1e fluff over to Big Eyes Small Mouth 1st Edition. So that way it would be compatible with the Sailor Moon Role-Playing Game and Resource Book, which is a bonus.

There's a sourcebook titles Cold Hands, Dark Heart that is about modern urban horror in BESM.  It's more horror anime than WoD horror but a lot of the stuff would be usable.  I got it intending to run a game like that but it never got off the ground.