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What the fuck is this guy smoking?

Started by RPGPundit, February 04, 2008, 10:52:13 AM

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Pierce Inverarity

#30
February 04, 2008, 02:53:13 PM
Quote from: Consonant DudeCan't it be both?

Not IME. What's the inner life of Indiana Jones like?

I did get into CoC very early, when it was thoroughly pulpy. Maybe other people can reconcile the two strains better, but to me there's no middle ground.
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David Johansen

#31
February 04, 2008, 02:58:35 PM
Interestingly enough if it had been about Traveller instead of CoC I could have written that rant.

I do think there is a failure of vision that permeates the industry these days.  I do think that comercial potential has completely eclipsed originality and singularity of vision.

At the same time the industry is floundering financially.  Cause?  Effect?  Vicious Circle?  Natural Decline?

I dunno.
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Mike S.

#32
February 04, 2008, 03:10:56 PM
Quote from: RPGPunditDoes anyone know if this guy is being serious?
Facetious?
Drunk?

The original is over here.

RPGPundit

Edit:  After rereading it I think my inital thought was wrong.  He seems a bit burned out and largely disenchanted with the hobby.

He of course could have stated that without sounding like an idiot.

Settembrini

#33
February 04, 2008, 03:13:20 PM
Quote from: Pierce InverarityNot IME. What's the inner life of Indiana Jones like?


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With people who seriously think they have an answer to that question, and who think that it really matters.
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Thanatos02

#34
February 04, 2008, 03:21:29 PM
Quote from: beeberthe fucking thing wasn't even published yet.  those who can't, criticize.

Oh, of course. Of all the people who I'm sure have little creative knowledge of the game, it's Old friggin' Geezer that I'm sure is near the top of the list.
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King of Old School

#35
February 04, 2008, 03:39:03 PM
Quote from: Thanatos02Oh, of course. Of all the people who I'm sure have little creative knowledge of the game, it's Old friggin' Geezer that I'm sure is near the top of the list.
Well, he was awfully dismissive and seemingly ignorant of Blair Reynolds' previous commercial success working on "crap supplements" for CoC so I can't fault beeber's reaction.

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Haffrung

#36
February 04, 2008, 03:50:36 PM
Just because it bears repeating:

Quote from: StuartMystery, Suspense, Dread, and Fear are not the same things as Shock, Repulsion, Depravity, and the Bizarre.


It wasn't antiquated prudery or commercial ambitions that stopped Lovecraft from describing his Nameless Horrors in graphic detail; the details only matter to fetishists and those whose sensibilities are so crude that they need shocking transgression to feel anything.
 

Consonant Dude

#37
February 04, 2008, 03:51:43 PM
Quote from: Pierce InverarityNot IME. What's the inner life of Indiana Jones like?

I did get into CoC very early, when it was thoroughly pulpy. Maybe other people can reconcile the two strains better, but to me there's no middle ground.

Fair enough.

And you have a point with your example. But Indiana Jones is a concentrated work.

In a campaign that spans over 3000 hours of actual CoC play, it's probably easier to encompass several dimensions and flavors a bit more elegantly. Not that it's necessarly desirable for everybody, mind you.
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jhkim

#38
February 04, 2008, 04:15:14 PM
Quote from: StuartMystery, Suspense, Dread, and Fear are not the same things as Shock, Repulsion, Depravity, and the Bizarre.
Quote from: HaffrungIt wasn't antiquated prudery or commercial ambitions that stopped Lovecraft from describing his Nameless Horrors in graphic detail; the details only matter to fetishists and those whose sensibilities are so crude that they need shocking transgression to feel anything.
Well, but both of these are compatible with being pulp.  Pulp novels and magazines like Weird Tales often sold on being shocking, lurid, and/or grotesque.  A lot of people may think of Indiana Jones as definitive pulp -- but that's really a modern invention by Spielberg making "pulp" into PG-rated cinematic family fare, which is quite different from the thirties original pulps.

Blackleaf

#39
February 04, 2008, 04:29:12 PM
Quote from: jhkimWell, but both of these are compatible with being pulp.  Pulp novels and magazines like Weird Tales often sold on being shocking, lurid, and/or grotesque.  A lot of people may think of Indiana Jones as definitive pulp -- but that's really a modern invention by Spielberg making "pulp" into PG-rated cinematic family fare, which is quite different from the thirties original pulps.

I'm not an HP Lovecraft scholar, and haven't even read all of his stories... but from what I've read I wouldn't use words like "shocking, lurid, and/or grotesque" to describe it. :)

That aside, if you're putting "shocking, lurid, and/or grotesque" things into your game because you want a "shocking, lurid, and/or grotesque" game -- that's one thing.  The problem is when people put "shocking, lurid, and/or grotesque" in their games thinking they're the same thing as "Mystery, Suspense, Dread, and Fear ".  Which they're not.

Pierce Inverarity

#40
February 04, 2008, 06:15:40 PM
Quote from: jhkimWell, but both of these are compatible with being pulp.  Pulp novels and magazines like Weird Tales often sold on being shocking, lurid, and/or grotesque.  A lot of people may think of Indiana Jones as definitive pulp -- but that's really a modern invention by Spielberg making "pulp" into PG-rated cinematic family fare, which is quite different from the thirties original pulps.

What's the inner life of Doc Savage like?
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jhkim

#41
February 04, 2008, 06:50:56 PM
Quote from: Pierce InverarityWhat's the inner life of Doc Savage like?
Honestly, I don't know since I haven't read Doc Savage, though I have read other pulps.  But really, if you imagine that pulps that tried to be shocking (or grotesque, macabre, or whatever) were all about "inner life" -- I think you're sadly mistaken.  

It seems to me that you're trying to divide things into a false dichotomy of good, clean-cut action (like Indiana Jones or presumably Doc Savage) versus cerebral exploration of inner life.  Many pulps were neither.  The typical "stories of the macabre" might have less outright combat than a typical adventure tale -- but it wasn't exactly cerebral.  The same goes for pulp romance stories, that were often transgressive.

Ian Absentia

#42
February 04, 2008, 09:06:39 PM
Quote from: Rob LangTo break it up into summary chunks it goes something like this:

[...snip...]

Anyone improve the list?
You forgot:
  • Weirdly vitriolic response from people who are apparently unfamiliar with his work.
You know, this reminds me a bit of the video some girls posted to the Internet a couple of years back, where she's playing with a butterfly knife.  Just sitting on a stool with an impassive look on her face, making the knife fly like mad.  The responses to the video were fantastic: lots and lots of guys posting how they could kick the shit out of her, like that's what she was challenging them to do.  Weird, guys.

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Spike

#43
February 04, 2008, 09:10:04 PM
Quote from: Ian AbsentiaYou forgot:
  • Weirdly vitriolic response from people who are apparently unfamiliar with his work.
You know, this reminds me a bit of the video some girls posted to the Internet a couple of years back, where she's playing with a butterfly knife.  Just sitting on a stool with an impassive look on her face, making the knife fly like mad.  The responses to the video were fantastic: lots and lots of guys posting how they could kick the shit out of her, like that's what she was challenging them to do.  Weird, guys.

!i!


I could totally kick the shit out of you.


Seriously.


 Don't challenge me like that, dude.
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#44
February 04, 2008, 09:27:37 PM
...kicking the shit out of each other upon first meeting in-person?

Sounds like a first date as seen on TORCHWOOD.


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