Quote from: tenbones;821123I'd be perfectly happy with this. And I'm a pretty big Spelljammer fan. Took me years to actually crack it open, I thought the concept was silly. But after a night of binge drinking, I pulled it off my shelf and said WTH... and squeezed a 3-year campaign out of it. I highly recommend 'Under the Dark Fist' - possibly one of the largest scoped campaign scenarios ever. It's like Star Wars and the Republic is Dragonlance, Greyhawk, and the Realms united against over a dozen other undiscovered campaign settings under the rule of one tyrant Emperor.

I had members of the Scarlet Brotherhood, teamed up with Knights of Solamnia, and tribes of cursing Hadozee, and Imperial Elves, and even some renegade Illithid - yeah it's gonzo... but epic as all hell. Felt very Star Wars... yet still D&D.

that does sound pretty awesome

Quote from: Omega;821129Spelljammer still has quite a fanbase. They even made a module for Neverwinter with custom ship models. I have the alpha of it and it was fairly neet in how they pulled it off.

Hard to say if WOTC will do it again. The magazine reboot for 3e got mostly negative reactions. And I do not recall any mention of Spelljammer in any of the 5e core book text.

They may try another Gamma World. But after the botch of the last one thats pretty iffy too.

I think I saw a mention of it in the 5E DMG but I'd have to take another look when I can get my hands on it.

Quote from: jibbajibba;821098So my question would be why people buy the dragon minis from whizz kids for $60 when you can buy papo or schleich dragons for 25

I have them all in together in the same "Chest of Dragons" - Schleich & Papo make good Elder Wyrms for Epic play, but are a bit too big for young & adult dragons.

Quote from: RPGPundit;821096I'd be a lot more interested in something like that if it wasn't a straight remake, and instead was a new concept/setting that took some inspiration from Spelljammer, some original stuff, and some from the Princess Ark stuff from Mystara.

Yeah I wouldn't NEED it to be a straight remake, but I do find the general concept of Spelljammer fascinating and would love to use something like it in 5E.

It's something I've always felt just begs to be done right.  Which is to say, I don't think it ever quite has been done right, yet.

Well if you're gonna do 5e Spelljammer you have to address:

Space - is it vaccuum or not? It impacts the game in subtle ways.

Cultures - Imperial Elves, Scro, etc. Which cultures are spacefaring? Do you create templates for what your worlds SHOULD be like with spacefaring as part of it? I said fuck it, and Waterdeep and Calimport are Spelljamming ports. You can't hide that kinda shit.

Crystal Spheres - Keep or toss?

Magitech-level - Smokepowder? Or up the ante with Fireball guns, and lightning rifles using some "magical crystals" for ammo-packs? It would take little effort to go Fantasy Star Wars.

Construction rules - Spelljammer dodged the issue much like Star Wars does on how Spelljammers (hyperdrives) are created: you can only purchase them in-game from Arcane (or you steal one from an existing ship). What propels ships now? Do you need the huge crews? What kinds of ships are we talking about?

Everything else is window dressing. You could simulate a lot of things like Air Envelopes etc. through the use of magi-tech and keep the cold hard vacuum. Of course it would be a little grittier.

Edit - Might make a better New Thread....

Quote from: tenbones;821744Well if you're gonna do 5e Spelljammer you have to address:

Space - is it vaccuum or not? It impacts the game in subtle ways.

Cultures - Imperial Elves, Scro, etc. Which cultures are spacefaring? Do you create templates for what your worlds SHOULD be like with spacefaring as part of it? I said fuck it, and Waterdeep and Calimport are Spelljamming ports. You can't hide that kinda shit.

Crystal Spheres - Keep or toss?

Magitech-level - Smokepowder? Or up the ante with Fireball guns, and lightning rifles using some "magical crystals" for ammo-packs? It would take little effort to go Fantasy Star Wars.

Construction rules - Spelljammer dodged the issue much like Star Wars does on how Spelljammers (hyperdrives) are created: you can only purchase them in-game from Arcane (or you steal one from an existing ship). What propels ships now? Do you need the huge crews? What kinds of ships are we talking about?

Everything else is window dressing. You could simulate a lot of things like Air Envelopes etc. through the use of magi-tech and keep the cold hard vacuum. Of course it would be a little grittier.

Edit - Might make a better New Thread....

Yeah, this definitely deserves its own thread.

maybe they will have a book of fey this time around.

I wonder what this editions tomb of horrors will be like

Actually... for me...

I'd like to see a new Expedition to the Barrier Peaks.

And pump up the 5e Gamma World Hotness inside it... DO IT. Give me some Torque Grenades, Black Ray Guns, Healing Cannisters so I can totally ruin my fantasy game!!! WOOO!!!!!

(totally serious)

I have to say, I'm finding the glacial pace of supplements for 5e to be another nail in the coffin for me finding 5e to be of any value.

I've never been a fan of 5e. I was in the playtest and found it varied from "dull retread" to "more change for the sake of change". It was very much in the vein of the new "Amazing Spider-Man" movies (or any of the current "80s remake fever" films) - basically the same crap I already saw before only done better last time and with a bunch of new changes for no good reason that I dislike.

I played the preview adventure for the release and found it to be the same. Then the final rule books came out and I looked at those and it still felt the same. I still can find no reason at all to use these rules instead of a previous version.

But I kept thinking - maybe once we're past the obligatory initial three books they'll finally come out with that modular stuff they mentioned in the playtest that might make it interesting.

No such luck. Months later, and its clear they only want to sell me hardback adventure books I don't want. More power to them if this model works for them, but it sure won't be getting any of my money.

Quote from: jgants;823545I have to say, I'm finding the glacial pace of supplements for 5e to be another nail in the coffin for me finding 5e to be of any value.

I've never been a fan of 5e. I was in the playtest and found it varied from "dull retread" to "more change for the sake of change". It was very much in the vein of the new "Amazing Spider-Man" movies (or any of the current "80s remake fever" films) - basically the same crap I already saw before only done better last time and with a bunch of new changes for no good reason that I dislike.

I played the preview adventure for the release and found it to be the same. Then the final rule books came out and I looked at those and it still felt the same. I still can find no reason at all to use these rules instead of a previous version.

But I kept thinking - maybe once we're past the obligatory initial three books they'll finally come out with that modular stuff they mentioned in the playtest that might make it interesting.

No such luck. Months later, and its clear they only want to sell me hardback adventure books I don't want. More power to them if this model works for them, but it sure won't be getting any of my money.

Well, at least you're honest about not liking it from the start.  That's fair.

According to Mearls in an interview. They plan to release 2 adventures per year, planned out to 2018.

Tyranny of Dragons was first. Now its the Elemental Evil. Next up is apparently some sort of Alice in Wonderland sort of thing? Like Dungeonland and Beyond the Magic Mirror?

I have not yet found any other mention of that so who knows if its true or not. And a-lot can change in 4 years even if it is.

I like 5E and think they did a good job putting it together. But a few months in, I'm more likely to grab my 1E or B/E books and one of the great new OSR megadungeons if I am going to play D&D. There isn't any particular rules-y reason why; I just am not feeling the coolness factor you get with great games. That would change if they put out some creative, fun, really nicely produced dungeons or settings. But so far I've found the official adventures for 5E to be total crap (other than Phandelver, which is pretty solid).

The lack of additional material (outside of the stuff I've been feverishly working on for my own use) is starting to make my player's teeth itch.

We don't use their adventures, or anyone elses, so... they need to get on the ball.