Someone tipped me off as to these guys.

I have nothing really to say about the book that the post-servitor has just delivered me.

However the book was ordered from the aforementioned yesterday. It was packaged superbly and I paid £25.01 including first class post.

I've never brought from these people before and I am very impressed. Consider this a recommendation.

Now for the book...

You're welcome.

I love those guys. When there is a delay they ring you unlike Leisure Games who you have to ring and wait for them to dig through their paperwork.

I have no problem with Leisure Games. I used them once, years ago. But now Firefox loathes their site flagging it as a security risk, so no chance. First class postage from IG cost me 50p roughly.

Infinity Games has free postage, but Games Lore are the cheapest, with further discounts the more you purchase.

Ive never had a single issue with an order from infinity games, leisure games ballzed up and order 3 times once(still not sure how a beginner boxset could be confused twice with a bloody book on character classes!) the only issue i have is that sometimes they dont get stock in till a week or so after everyone else but im guessing thats due to not being as big a shop as leisure games.

I've been very impressed with IGUK's service. When two parcels in a row got lost in the mail, they still sent me a third copy by registered post. And when my very next order turned out to have pages falling out, they replaced that too. If I'd been them, I'd have dismissed me up as some sort of weird conman.

Now for some bad news:

MoX has no Eldar.

TBF, I knew this before ordering. I'm fine with it insofar as it's FFG and this is as good as it gets - and the book does look pretty meaty. I haven't read it yet and although the 'native' monsters section (random critters from the Jericho Reach) is weak (diablodons!), it beefs up hordes and offers mass combat rules which look interesting. Still no advice on how to match up the adversaries to kill teams of any size or rank. The stat blocks are fairly static afaict. The Chaos section looks meaty with lots of excellent art (chaos marines looking as fucked up as they should). Plus the book has ethereals and a heretic magos that eats progenoid glands. Yum

But still no Eldar.

I wish a company that actually understands RPGs would buy the Warhammer lines.

There's a Xenos Compendium for the Rogue Trader line coming out later this year. Maybe they divided the content between the books?

Quote from: Ian Warner;461107I wish a company that actually understands RPGs would buy the Warhammer lines.

FFG understands, RPGs, unfortunately, so does GW, and GW wants their IP to be created and led by their "toy soldiers" game rather then the RPG.  It's ass-backwards by design, and puts handcuffs on whoever holds the license for RPGs.   Unless you mean someone buy GW, in which case I whole-heartedly agree.

Quote from: Windjammer;461134There's a Xenos Compendium for the Rogue Trader line coming out later this year. Maybe they divided the content between the books?

Very possibly. But that IMO doesn't really make sense. Why not just create one big book? Some will argue that genestealers don't exist aboard space hulks in the Expanse just as some willa rgue that Rak'Gol haven't got to the Jericho Reach.

Apparently there's a reason for the lack of Eldar thus far - or at least a kernel of rumour we can speculate upon.

Quote from: CRKrueger;461145FFG understands, RPGs, unfortunately, so does GW, and GW wants their IP to be created and led by their "toy soldiers" game rather then the RPG.  It's ass-backwards by design, and puts handcuffs on whoever holds the license for RPGs.   Unless you mean someone buy GW, in which case I whole-heartedly agree.

Their treatment of WFRP begs to differ.

It won't be long before we see the 40k RPGs go the same way.

But I do agree that GW has really forfitted the right to the Warhammerverses in many fan's eyes.

And with the so called "finecast" it's no longer soley a pricing issue. It's taken them a while but they are now engaged in outright fraud.

The sad thing is RPG or Wargame the £40k seems to be a price tag more than a title.

Quote from: CRKrueger;461145FFG understands, RPGs, unfortunately, so does GW, and GW wants their IP to be created and led by their "toy soldiers" game rather then the RPG.  It's ass-backwards by design, and puts handcuffs on whoever holds the license for RPGs.   Unless you mean someone buy GW, in which case I whole-heartedly agree.

I'm not convinced FFG's bizzarro world decision policy is down to GW at all. Eldar are dotted around the various books and they'v eeven allowed playable Kroot and Orks. In fact i've heard that one of the DW published adventures features a Harlequin!

It's conceivable they are waiting to publish a bigass Eldar rpg, but if so why is that subordinate to Black Crusade (I check for traps and then grow a tentacle before laughing into the gaping madness that is my mind and exploding).

Quote from: Ian Warner;461209Their treatment of WFRP begs to differ.

It won't be long before we see the 40k RPGs go the same way.

But I do agree that GW has really forfitted the right to the Warhammerverses in many fan's eyes.

And with the so called "finecast" it's no longer soley a pricing issue. It's taken them a while but they are now engaged in outright fraud.

The sad thing is RPG or Wargame the £40k seems to be a price tag more than a title.

I have decided to like the FFG games, but that's in spite of their flaws. I have no idea how it will be when i get to run somethign like DW, but I enjoy them as books so I'm ok with that. I really would like to know the thinking behind their decisions.

However as conceivable as it is that FFG might one day transform their 40k line the same way as they have with WFRP, I can't see it happening (or else they'd have done so already). That's because the setting is just too different. People have criticised the multi-book approach to the different player options, however given the nature of the setting and how everyone hates everyone else it would be almost impossible to do this with the WFRP system. Imagine the party condition tracker, it woudl either be 'hooray for the god emperor' or 'you are a traitor, and i purge you'. I'm sure FFG have thought about it, but at this point i think they'd lose a ton of fans if they abandoned what they've built up, no matter haphazardly, thus far.