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What's in a name?

Started by The Traveller, January 09, 2013, 06:53:59 AM

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jhkim

Quote from: flyingmice;616991I like Adventure Games, or Adventure Roleplaying Games. That suits.
I think that one has been co-opted as well a long time ago.  From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventure_game

"An adventure game is a video game in which the player assumes the role of protagonist in an interactive story driven by exploration and puzzle-solving instead of physical challenge."

The two in common usage are "pen & paper RPG" and "tabletop RPG".  I prefer the latter.

The Traveller

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Shared Adventure Games (SAG, heh)

Adventure games is good and hasn't really appeared in the common parlance. It doesn't matter if someone used a name once, as long as nobody is using it today, or at least not much. TTRPGs is waaay too much of a lumpy bowl of porridge, doesn't so much roll off the tongue as dismount and hobble wheezing under its own weight to the ear. Plus it sounds like a subset of computer rpgs, which the hobby isn't.
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Quote from: talysman;616987Use the name the hobby had before it was renamed "roleplaying games": Adventure Games.

Google that one and tell me what happens.
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When I think of Adventure Games, I think of Zak McCracken and the Alien Mindbenders.

"Pen and paper" has served me well enough.
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Quote from: flyingmice;617059Four Roleplaying Gamers, five opinions. :D

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We need to some up an entirely new word, like flampth.

So what's your favorite flampth?
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J Arcane

Quote from: Kaiu Keiichi;616340In Japan, our particular brand of RPGs are indeed called Tabletop RPGs (TRPGs), to differentiate them from CRPGs.  It's not too different from the original industry term, makes a nice acronym, and is easy to remember.  Also, Storygame is the brand term for Storygame RPGS, and should be pleasing to those who wish to differentiate them from traditional RPGs that they have their own stand out term.

I've been using the term TRPG for years, ever since being first exposed to it in the very early days of hype over Japanese TRPGs .

It seems like the most concise and clear term I've seen, and I think it funny it apparently took non-English speakers to think of it.
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Quote from: J Arcane;617094I've been using the term TRPG for years, ever since being first exposed to it in the very early days of hype over Japanese TRPGs .

It seems like the most concise and clear term I've seen, and I think it funny it apparently took non-English speakers to think of it.

Google TRPG.
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Quote from: Piestrio;617096Google TRPG.

That was a recent coining. Its use in Japanese lexicon predates it.
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Quote from: J Arcane;617100That was a recent coining. Its use in Japanese lexicon predates it.

And the coining of RPG to describe what we do predates computer RPGs.

Doesn't seem to matter.
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Simlasa

D&D seems like common usage amongst people who are vaguely aware of RPGs but not the variety.
When my friends' kids asked me to run 'D&D' for them they had no specific ideas except that it was a fantasy game of 'let's pretend'. I didn't get this at first but then I just told them we were gonna play this flavor of 'D&D' called 'Stormbringer' (which my homebrew is based on) and everything was fine.
Same thing for an older friend of mine who said she'd played 'D&D' back in her youth... but it turns out she was playing Vampire.
So I think coopting the brand name to something more generic might work... the way it did for Kleenex and Jello and Aspirin and Escolator and Heroin and Videotape... etc.
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CRPG players should be an easy to convert demographic.

Quote from: talysman;616987Use the name the hobby had before it was renamed "roleplaying games": Adventure Games.

I like Adventure Games.

Although its been a video game genre, I think we should take the name back.

Quote from: The Traveller;616988Storygames is probably the first name I would have picked to be honest.

Hell yeah.

Warthur

Quote from: The Traveller;617020Shared Adventure Games (SAG, heh)
You're onto something here because the shared experience aspect instantly distinguishes it from computer adventure games (there are multiplayer MMOs but not really any multiplayer adventure games), but it needs something to incorporate the role of the GM as a game controller who is far more versatile, intuitive, and capable of leaps of logic than a computer could ever be. "Heuristic" actually describes all that nicely so how about Shared Heuristic Adventure Games?

Yeah, that works well! "Me and the guys are going down to the basement for a quick SHAG, care to join us?"
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Quote from: flyingmice;617059Four Roleplaying Gamers, five opinions. :D
On the details, yeah, but I don't think there's any dispute about the broad strokes as it were.

Quote from: Warthur;617218You're onto something here because the shared experience aspect instantly distinguishes it from computer adventure games (there are multiplayer MMOs but not really any multiplayer adventure games), but it needs something to incorporate the role of the GM as a game controller who is far more versatile, intuitive, and capable of leaps of logic than a computer could ever be. "Heuristic" actually describes all that nicely so how about Shared Heuristic Adventure Games?

Yeah, that works well! "Me and the guys are going down to the basement for a quick SHAG, care to join us?"
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jhkim

Quote from: Piestrio;617096Google TRPG.
OK, I did so.  The first result was the Wikipedia entry for "Tactical RPG" for computer games.  However, that wasn't dominant in the remainder of results.  The fourth result was "Technical and Regulatory Policy", for example, and the sixth result was this entry:

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/TRPG

TRPG   Tactical Role-Playing Game (video games)
TRPG   Table-Top Role-Playing Game
TRPG   Total RPG (Role Playing Game) Magazine
TRPG   Thames Regional Perinatal Group (UK)

In the following pages there was a mix, including a lot of Japanese tabletop RPGs.  If I google "tabletop RPG", then I immediately get only the type of games we're looking for.  

By contrast, if I google "adventure game", I get many pages of results with no mention of traditional non-computer RPGs like D&D.  

So basically, "tabletop RPG" works as is - and "TRPG" is unclear but workable.  Both "RPG" and "adventure game" are already in widespread, popular use for computer games - and have been for decades.