Quote from: Elfdart;939541Dragonlance. My friends thought it was cool as hell, but aside from the maps I thought it was useless. No, worse than useless. They got me to play the song (a module with sheet music? of fuck me to tears!) on the piano. Not only was it a pile of shit (and not just because I suck as a musician) but the girl I was dating saw what I was doing and I couldn't have looked like a bigger dork if I had been playing Rush. Jesus Tittyfucking Christ!

You played a Dragonlance song from a module on piano?  Fucking nerd!  

Does anyone have a link to this music?  I need to hear this now.

Quote from: Elfdart;939541Dragonlance. My friends thought it was cool as hell, but aside from the maps I thought it was useless. No, worse than useless. They got me to play the song (a module with sheet music? of fuck me to tears!) on the piano. Not only was it a pile of shit (and not just because I suck as a musician) but the girl I was dating saw what I was doing and I couldn't have looked like a bigger dork if I had been playing Rush. Jesus Tittyfucking Christ!

Aww (grnfp... snicker) awwww (hee heeee haaa) awwwww!
/wipes away tear
That was a majestic piece of "D&D Cock Blocked Me!" Bring it in, man, bring it in. Hug it out, there's no shame in the tears... (of laughter)!

Quote from: Opaopajr;939559"D&D Cock Blocked Me!"

Cockblocked us all at some point or another, I suspect; and like every insecure person in an abusive relationship, we still loved it.

(Though admittedly my experiences were nowhere nearly as egregious.)

Quote from: RunningLaser;939558You played a Dragonlance song from a module on piano?  Fucking nerd!  

Does anyone have a link to this music?  I need to hear this now.

I assume it was from here:

Quote from: Tristram Evans;939574I assume it was from here:

I don't know if it was repeated in that book but the sheet music was in (some, not all) the original modules.

Remember: DL was AD&D's attempt at Tolkien, and the Hobbit and LotR were full of poems and songs.

Quote from: Tristram Evans;939574I assume it was from here:

I think it was from the very first module.

As a group, we didn't use modules at the time, so the whole hatedom over Dragonlance thing kinda went over my head. I remember reading the first trilogy of novels and thinking, "well those certainly weren't Shakespeare/Tolkien, but they weren't remarkable positively or negatively, given my expectations for schlock." The books that came later slowly got terrible, but again, to be expected. It wasn't until I got onto D&D Usenet in like 1990 that I realized that there was such a hate-hardon for DL.

Quote from: ThatChrisGuy;9383874. Ebberon, because 3.5 D&D is no place for the pulps.  It just doesn't work, and plus there was no sense that this was an actual industrial society.  It just had some of the trappings like a Ren-fest style Victoriana Faire.

Can't say anything about 3e because I didn't run the setting then, but I've effectively been running James Bond in 5e Eberron, so I disagree to some extent with your point. The omnipresence of 1-3rd level magic at most levels of society simulates the increasing convenience and luxury of early modernity quite well in my opinion.

There's only two settings that never did anything for me. One being Dragonlance. Between the railroady modules, and the feeling (at least to me) of things being locked in and the PCs not having much say in the world. Just doesn't appeal to me. The second being Planescape. The whole concept just doesn't really do much for me. I know a lot of people dig it. But it's just not really my cuppa.

Dragonlance.

The idea of dragons allowing little gnat riders to be their "master" just didn't pass the logic test for me. And much of the rest of the setting also fell apart upon scrutiny too.

When I bought the Monstrous Compendium for AD&D 2nd edition for Dragonlance. I honestly found the contents pretty uninspired.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;940060Dragonlance.

The idea of dragons allowing little gnat riders to be their "master" just didn't pass the logic test for me. And much of the rest of the setting also fell apart upon scrutiny too.

When I bought the Monstrous Compendium for AD&D 2nd edition for Dragonlance. I honestly found the contents pretty uninspired.

Yeah, Dragonlance fucking blows.

Now, Ravenloft was fucking awesome! If Dragonlance is my least favorite D&D setting, then Ravenloft is my most favorite.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;940060Dragonlance.

The idea of dragons allowing little gnat riders to be their "master" just didn't pass the logic test for me. And much of the rest of the setting also fell apart upon scrutiny too.

When I bought the Monstrous Compendium for AD&D 2nd edition for Dragonlance. I honestly found the contents pretty uninspired.

Its more like a close partnership. Or at least was at one point.

And yeah the MC was so lackluster. But then so was the Spelljammer MC and a couple of others. For me at least the MCs were more miss than hit.

Quote from: Ronin;940058There's only two settings that never did anything for me. One being Dragonlance. Between the railroady modules, and the feeling (at least to me) of things being locked in and the PCs not having much say in the world. Just doesn't appeal to me. The second being Planescape. The whole concept just doesn't really do much for me. I know a lot of people dig it. But it's just not really my cuppa.

If you have the time, I'd like to touch on that.

Now, I am very much not a DL expert. I've read 4-8 novels, had the 1e hardcover book, and (well after the fact) read the classic adventure modules and said, "yep, those are in fact just as railroad-y as everyone says they are." So, outside of those classicly railroad-y modules, is the rest of the setting more PCs-unable-to-effect-the-world than any other? I mean, beyond 'this kingdom is at war with that kingdom" and if the PCs want to end the war or something, the DM has to deviate from the printed canon, because that's true with any setting that sets up a current state of the world. Is there anything specific to the DL setting that makes it hard for the PCs to have any real influence?

It's weird, 90% of Dragonlance I loved.  Didn't play the modules, though I think one of my friends did.  I remember one thing bugged me the most, probably silly, was the use of steel as currency (think that was it).  When I think of Dragonlance though, I think of the art of Elmore and have fond memories.

Quote from: RunningLaser;940140It's weird, 90% of Dragonlance I loved.  Didn't play the modules, though I think one of my friends did.  I remember one thing bugged me the most, probably silly, was the use of steel as currency (think that was it).  When I think of Dragonlance though, I think of the art of Elmore and have fond memories.

I liked the first series of books, when I was like 12. And those Elmore covers were just amazing. Absolute classics.






Tried rereading the books when the annotated edition came out in my early 20s. Couldn't do it, wish I hadn't tried because it tainted those childhood memories, much like watching cartoons from the 80s rereleased on dvd. On the other hand, Chronicles of Prydain still holds up as an adult.


As to Planescape, like anything with a very specific  tone and aesthetics, its going to appeal to some people and not to others, and I think all great things in life are like that. On the other hand, reading some of the comments on the last few pages its very obvious quite a few people(including Pundit) either never actually read the game or simply didn't "get it", since they seem to be confusing Sigil with the Planes, or under the impression the Planes themselves had been altered from the 1e Manual of the Planes.