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Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Toadmaster on August 12, 2019, 07:29:33 PM
Would really rather not have this turn into anti-Facebook ranting, but it is gaming related.
 

Has TBP thought over run RPG Facebook groups? I'm a mild facebook user, primarily got interested when I discovered the facebook groups aspect which now compete heavily against more traditional forums. Only been active 2-3 years, and in that time I have joined probably 40 groups and only been denied a membership request once, and I believe that was more of an invite only group that the FB bots suggested to me.


The one exception being RPG groups. Other than a Traveller RPG group, every RPG group I have applied for has denied my membership requests. Not sure how much group admin can see of a "pledges" profile, but I don't have anything that I would imagine would set off any alarms. No political affiliations, I tend to shy away from political commentary, mostly hobby groups, 3d printing, welding, machining, firefighting, and lots of old truck sites, I follow some company pages along similar lines to my groups. Only gun related page I follow is Forgotten Weapons which is very much history oriented, not gun rights.

The Traveller group was the first RPG group I had applied to. I initially didn't have an interest in RPG groups, but even though I don't really play much Traveller these days I find a lot of the posts fun, and it encouraged me to look into more. (Thanks to Jeff for mentioning this one).


Not really sure what to think that the other 6 or 7 have denied my requests. Most were fairly large groups (most had 1000+ members and fairly active posting), so they don't strike me as exclusive.

Does my profile mark me as an older white male and therefore the devil? Am I tainted by my association with Traveller? Or just bad luck?  


I expected RPG groups to be like the Traveller group, just people having fun and posting game oriented stuff. As it is the only one that has admitted me, I'm starting to think maybe most are more like the dot net place and the fester in the evils of traditional gaming. In that case good riddance. Just found it odd.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Razor 007 on August 12, 2019, 08:57:38 PM
Quote from: Toadmaster;1099228Would really rather not have this turn into anti-Facebook ranting, but it is gaming related.
 

Has TBP thought over run RPG Facebook groups? I'm a mild facebook user, primarily got interested when I discovered the facebook groups aspect which now compete heavily against more traditional forums. Only been active 2-3 years, and in that time I have joined probably 40 groups and only been denied a membership request once, and I believe that was more of an invite only group that the FB bots suggested to me.


The one exception being RPG groups. Other than a Traveller RPG group, every RPG group I have applied for has denied my membership requests. Not sure how much group admin can see of a "pledges" profile, but I don't have anything that I would imagine would set off any alarms. No political affiliations, I tend to shy away from political commentary, mostly hobby groups, 3d printing, welding, machining, firefighting, and lots of old truck sites, I follow some company pages along similar lines to my groups. Only gun related page I follow is Forgotten Weapons which is very much history oriented, not gun rights.

The Traveller group was the first RPG group I had applied to. I initially didn't have an interest in RPG groups, but even though I don't really play much Traveller these days I find a lot of the posts fun, and it encouraged me to look into more. (Thanks to Jeff for mentioning this one).


Not really sure what to think that the other 6 or 7 have denied my requests. Most were fairly large groups (most had 1000+ members and fairly active posting), so they don't strike me as exclusive.

Does my profile mark me as an older white male and therefore the devil? Am I tainted by my association with Traveller? Or just bad luck?  


I expected RPG groups to be like the Traveller group, just people having fun and posting game oriented stuff. As it is the only one that has admitted me, I'm starting to think maybe most are more like the dot net place and the fester in the evils of traditional gaming. In that case good riddance. Just found it odd.


I find FB in general, to be a place that I don't care for.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: jeff37923 on August 12, 2019, 09:54:03 PM
Before I put my 0.02cr in, in the spirit of full disclosure I would like people to know that I am one of the admins of the FB Traveller Group.

Toadmaster, thank you for the kind words.

Quote from: Toadmaster;1099228Has TBP thought over run RPG Facebook groups?

I would have to say, yes. I've had to jettison most of my FB fantasy RPG groups because I got doxxed over being anti-antifa's violence. There are a lot of the same people in genre related groups and when I got doxxed in one, I found the doxxing spreading throughout the rest of them. I reported it to FB and bailed.




Quote from: Toadmaster;1099228The one exception being RPG groups. Other than a Traveller RPG group, every RPG group I have applied for has denied my membership requests. Not sure how much group admin can see of a "pledges" profile, but I don't have anything that I would imagine would set off any alarms. No political affiliations, I tend to shy away from political commentary, mostly hobby groups, 3d printing, welding, machining, firefighting, and lots of old truck sites, I follow some company pages along similar lines to my groups. Only gun related page I follow is Forgotten Weapons which is very much history oriented, not gun rights.

The Traveller group was the first RPG group I had applied to. I initially didn't have an interest in RPG groups, but even though I don't really play much Traveller these days I find a lot of the posts fun, and it encouraged me to look into more. (Thanks to Jeff for mentioning this one).


Not really sure what to think that the other 6 or 7 have denied my requests. Most were fairly large groups (most had 1000+ members and fairly active posting), so they don't strike me as exclusive.

Does my profile mark me as an older white male and therefore the devil? Am I tainted by my association with Traveller? Or just bad luck?  


I expected RPG groups to be like the Traveller group, just people having fun and posting game oriented stuff. As it is the only one that has admitted me, I'm starting to think maybe most are more like the dot net place and the fester in the evils of traditional gaming. In that case good riddance. Just found it odd.

A couple of things here. Yes, admins can see up to your entire profile depending on what your security settings are. I do look at profiles before accepting them because for a while we were getting a whole bunch of Travel Agencies and Travel Agents signing up who were offering Thailand sex vacations and we just flat out aren't that kind of a group.

I try to admin in the spirit of Pundit's Free Speech style, but we also have a "No Asshole" rule, a "No Real World Politics" rule, and we expect people to behave in an adult manner. The range of people in that group covers a lot of nationalities, sexes, sexual orientations, political stances, and religions. All we ask is that you be a fan of Traveller and post Traveller related content (and Cepheus Engine is considered Traveller there).

I'd have to take a look at your profile in order to see if there is anything that may stand out as triggersome to the social justice crowd. I'm willing to do that if you want, just private message me.

Now, Traveller is considered a "conservative" RPG (whatever the fuck that means) by social justice types ( mainly because the default playstyle is the Free Trader campaign I guess).
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Simlasa on August 12, 2019, 10:02:04 PM
I'm in several RPG groups on FB and haven't noticed any political swing in one direction or another... political talk is generally forbidden anyway.
Of the three groups I've got approval rights on I generally accept everyone as long as they don't look like spammers, or are confusing us with video games.
How long has it been since you clicked on Join?
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: deadDMwalking on August 12, 2019, 10:10:22 PM
I'm not on Facebook, but when you request to join, are you able to include a message?  It's possible that they get a bunch of bot requests, and if you don't look like a 'real person' they auto-deny.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Toadmaster on August 12, 2019, 10:11:22 PM
Quote from: Razor 007;1099237I find FB in general, to be a place that I don't care for.


I get that, I'm not its biggest fan and it has many downsides to forum formats such as this one. However in many areas of my interest, the traditional forum is all but dead. For example on a vintage Dodge 4x4 truck forum, you are lucky if there is a post a week, and there is little response to new posts. Several years ago it was a fairly busy place, but it has essentially become an archive of old posts. By comparison the 2 similar themed FB groups I belong to generally have several posts a day, and you can expect a response to most questions within 24 hours, and often within just a few minutes. Same thing with a welding forum, the traditional forum and FB group are linked. The forum gets 2 or 3 posts a day, the FB group easily 10-20, with a much higher level of response to questions.


RPG forums do not seem to have been hit as hard as some others, which is why I have only recently started to look. Even using this place which is fairly lively as an example how many Traveller posts do you typically see? Not many, where the FB group might get 3 or 4 new topics in a day plus associated responses.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 12, 2019, 10:13:50 PM
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1099245I'm not on Facebook, but when you request to join, are you able to include a message?  It's possible that they get a bunch of bot requests, and if you don't look like a 'real person' they auto-deny.

I'm an admin for my local X-Wing Miniatures Facebook group, and I've declined a couple of requests because #1. They didn't include a short message to say hello (I'm not a bot!) and #2. They didn't seem to have any Star Wars/Gaming/Sci-Fi... anything on their page. Just stuff that looked like stock photos.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Doom on August 12, 2019, 11:37:11 PM
I'm on a couple FB RPG related groups. I'm hardly politically correct, and it wouldn't take much of a glance at my own page to see it...and no trouble at all.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Shawn Driscoll on August 12, 2019, 11:41:38 PM
Quote from: Toadmaster;1099228Does my profile mark me as an older white male and therefore the devil? Am I tainted by my association with Traveller? Or just bad luck?

Just update your Hatebook profile photo to one that has you with pink hair and wearing nail polish (see toxic femininity). You're in like Flint then.

Or... Make YouTube videos. Players with similar RPG gaming will then come find you. No searching you need to do anymore.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Spinachcat on August 12, 2019, 11:58:00 PM
Everyone (except me) needs to be on Facebook as much as possible. My clients need the data mining and Zuckerberg loves us all equally.

I'm confused how Traveller is a "conservative" game. If you want to be Space Antifart, you can do that in Traveller. If you want to be Space Comrades defending sectors of "true, and thus perfect" communism against the Evil White Male Capitalist Imperium, you can do that in Traveller.  

But I can see "3d printing, welding, machining, firefighting, and lots of old trucks" triggering the safe space crowd with cries of Toxic Masculinity!
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Toadmaster on August 13, 2019, 12:41:02 AM
I don't know that this has anything to do with gamer politics, but it seems odd that with one exception all of my RPG group requests have been denied. That is why I'm asking, it seems very weird.


Quote from: jeff37923;1099240Toadmaster, thank you for the kind words.




I'd have to take a look at your profile in order to see if there is anything that may stand out as triggersome to the social justice crowd. I'm willing to do that if you want, just private message me.

Now, Traveller is considered a "conservative" RPG (whatever the fuck that means) by social justice types ( mainly because the default playstyle is the Free Trader campaign I guess).

No problem, I'm glad you made a post sometime back and mentioned the group. I hadn't even thought of looking for RPG groups on FB. Not a lot of earth shattering rules discussions, but I like a lot of the stuff people find that tie in with the games setting from random stuff from the news to cool art.  

Thank you for the offer, I'll PM after posting. I don't expect you'll find much, but would be curious.

I wouldn't lay the blame on Traveller, but yeah, you pretty much hit my thoughts, particularly being my only RPG group (since the others don't like me). It does make me wonder if I had some Vampire or Apocalypse World stuff linked to my page if I would be having this kind of luck. Then again, not interested in those games so... A couple asked for a list of games I play, a pretty standard grognard list follows, so in those cases if I play the wrong games then Traveller is in good company letting them know.

Quote from: Simlasa;1099242I'm in several RPG groups on FB and haven't noticed any political swing in one direction or another... political talk is generally forbidden anyway.
Of the three groups I've got approval rights on I generally accept everyone as long as they don't look like spammers, or are confusing us with video games.
How long has it been since you clicked on Join?

Oh, it has been quite a while now, maybe a year, possibly as much as 18 months. No way to check my history on that that I can find.

I have had one or two groups where you click join and your request sits forever, probably the group had died and no mods monitor it anymore to approve or decline. In the case of the RPG sites they were clear declines, FB notified me that my request was denied and it no longer shows on my pending list. The first one I reapplied thinking maybe there was a glitch, nope a second decline followed quickly.

I always answer the questions with full sentences and put an appropriate amount of thought into them, so no way they think I'm a bot. I've also had one or two group admins message me for more info on why I want to join (mostly those of a professional nature). Again not the case with the RPG groups, no contact, not even a No Soup for you! just a decline.
 

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1099245I'm not on Facebook, but when you request to join, are you able to include a message?  It's possible that they get a bunch of bot requests, and if you don't look like a 'real person' they auto-deny.

Not sure how much of my profile they can see. I don't have an exciting page, just enough details so that a past co-worker or long lost friend might find me if they looked. If it was a bot page it is a bot that someone put some time into. If I was a PC then the player filled out a 3x5 card of my back story. :p

Most groups will have 1-5 questions that must be answered or they auto decline. Usually one or two throw away yes / no questions (do you agree to follow the rules?, do you agree not to be a dick?) and then 1-3 that take a little more effort (why do you want to join this group, have you played an RPG, what games do you play etc (examples for RPGs, obviously a truck group might ask what kind of truck you have, a welding group your level of experience etc). I always answer the questions with an appropriate level of detail, so again, they know they are not rejecting a bot.
 

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1099247I'm an admin for my local X-Wing Miniatures Facebook group, and I've declined a couple of requests because #1. They didn't include a short message to say hello (I'm not a bot!) and #2. They didn't seem to have any Star Wars/Gaming/Sci-Fi... anything on their page. Just stuff that looked like stock photos.

For the first, I always answer the questions listed, and all have had a list of questions. For #2, it can be a bit tricky getting some related content, when those groups that would show the interest won't accept you because you don't belong to any related groups...

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1099250Just update your Hatebook profile photo to one that has you with pink hair and wearing nail polish. You're in like Flint then.

I don't have any photos attached to my account. It is a very dull account with basic personal details, schools attended, work history etc, just enough to link me to my past if somebody I used to know and lost contact with wanted to find me. I only got a FB account so I can see FB pages for companies and such. I've got maybe 2 dozen FB "friends" probably 1/2 people I know in real life, and 1/2 those from groups I'm in who friended me after some interaction in the group.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Shawn Driscoll on August 13, 2019, 12:49:02 AM
Just need to spruce up your FB page a bit to make it looked lived-in with D&D boob armor pics, it sounds like. Or create a new FB account just for RPGing around with. I don't use FB all that much. Too many Democrats.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Toadmaster on August 13, 2019, 12:49:47 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1099252Everyone (except me) needs to be on Facebook as much as possible. My clients need the data mining and Zuckerberg loves us all equally.

I'm confused how Traveller is a "conservative" game. If you want to be Space Antifart, you can do that in Traveller. If you want to be Space Comrades defending sectors of "true, and thus perfect" communism against the Evil White Male Capitalist Imperium, you can do that in Traveller.  

But I can see "3d printing, welding, machining, firefighting, and lots of old trucks" triggering the safe space crowd with cries of Toxic Masculinity!

Glad I help you keep food on the table.

Traveller has a similar reputation to the OSR. A game for old, insensitive white dudes. You should know it doesn't have to be true. Stereotypes are only bad when they apply to you, not people you don't like.

Yeah, I admit it I'm a bit of a manly man and I'm married to (just one) woman, who began life as a female. I know I'm evil incarnate. :D  

In my favor, I think I might have liked Bernie's FB page, so I can keep up with his cool rants against the establishment. That should be worth something, oh right voting for old white guy who wants equality for all, is sexist I was supposed to vote for Grandma Nixon because "boobies". :p
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Toadmaster on August 13, 2019, 12:56:25 AM
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1099257Just need to spruce up your FB page a bit to make it looked lived-in with D&D boob armor pics, it sounds like. Or create a new FB account just for RPGing around with. I don't use FB all that much. Too many Democrats.

Cool thanks for the tip, no boob armor pics, but maybe I can scan some Cthenticle cards into my profile.


For some reason I don't think you are offering serious help...
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Shawn Driscoll on August 13, 2019, 02:12:31 AM
Quote from: Toadmaster;1099261For some reason I don't think you are offering serious help...

Everyone is allowed to find out what FB is really like on their own. Chin up, and all that. If you're a Democrat, you'll fit in seamlessly.

But it is kind of odd that you are asking people how to make your social networking work. Like it's something an IT guy can fix for you, after Googling it.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Toadmaster on August 13, 2019, 04:03:28 AM
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1099266Everyone is allowed to find out what FB is really like on their own. Chin up, and all that. If you're a Democrat, you'll fit in seamlessly.

But it is kind of odd that you are asking people how to make your social networking work. Like it's something an IT guy can fix for you, after Googling it.


No actually that is not at all what I was asking. I have found RPG FB groups specifically odd, and was wondering if others where seeing the same.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: S'mon on August 13, 2019, 04:48:45 AM
I don't recall ever being denied membership of an FB group, and the public one I admin (a small D&D group for my Meetup) I only turn down memberships from spammers/bots. But I have had to (voluntarily) leave every American-based RPG group because of the toxic culture war crap. So the only public RPG group I'm in now is https://www.facebook.com/groups/dungeonsdragonuk/ which is great, great admins and pretty well no culture war stuff - they do individual approval on posts, plus UK gamers aren't in quite the same state of frothing hysteria* as many US posters. I've seen other people there comment on how the atmosphere is much better than in the US D&D Facebook groups too.

*In Britain there are many top-down attempts to whip up hysteria from the authorities, but most people just shrug and ignore it. Except for Brexit, that really is a toxic subject. But luckily has nothing to do with D&D.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: GIMME SOME SUGAR on August 13, 2019, 06:34:16 AM
If I have been accepted so can you, Toadmaster. I'm a member of two CoC groups (one English with 13522 members, one Swedish for the upcoming translation), a FB group for the upcoming Swedish Chill and some other shit too.

What rpg groups are you having problems with?
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Omega on August 13, 2019, 08:12:54 AM
Quote from: Toadmaster;1099267No actually that is not at all what I was asking. I have found RPG FB groups specifically odd, and was wondering if others where seeing the same.

I am one of the people FuckYouBook randomly screwed over in one of their so called "social experiments" and have not been back since. But from all I saw it may not be so much political as it may be elitist attitudes or security measures that the group expects you to psychically know.

It is in no way limited to RPGs. But it RPG FB groups probably see alot more SJW nuttery.

A non gaming group I was part of on YahooGroups moved over to FB and in the process cut off all the "undesirables" that they deemed such. And I quit the group. And we saw similar problems on YG wayyyyy back. FB in many ways mirrors YGs worst behavior. Though I have not heard of any covert group purges on FB so there is that. And YahooGroups was absolutely infested with spambots and harvesters and I guess they have started migrating to FB.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Mor'du on August 13, 2019, 01:42:39 PM
I use FB less and less - the only things that hold me there is most of my childhood friends are out of state or country , so it's a necessary evil . also my gaming groups, I've found more friendships through gaming. but I'm not PC in any way and I don't make any apologies for being a knuckle dragging Neanderthal - it's how I am and I'm too old to pretend otherwise. but a few things pissed me off with FB, my dad was a WW2 combat vet and I posted a photo of him coming home from the war in 1945 he was hit by a German Mortor round and lived in England as a American Postman ( helping the UK get back on it's feet from the b*ombing etc.  anyway.... someone said my photo of my dad in uniform at our families farm was hateful and he was a N*tzi . FB censored my photographs and put me in their Jail ..... what ever..... I grew up without computers I didn't give a Sh*t ... but it bothered me that someone called my dad that....  so I don't really use it much now since someone is keeping their eye on me..

I think that the admin people have a tough time picking people for in the groups. walking on hot coals not trying to piss people off etc.  I came here to the RPG site because I feel comfortable and can still talk gaming without someone trying to  jump you for any reason.  for myself I wish people would get past getting fired up at every little thing. and I don't think that people need to announce to the world who they go to bed with - or gender pronouns etc. to me it's just dumb. and it seems that those people are unhappy so they have to knock your toys down because they don't get the attention they think they deserve. we'd all be much better off without FB in my opinion, it started out as fun , sitting around with friends watching music videos and cracking jokes with your friends, but it's become a platform for the LOOK AT ME crowd ... I miss those old days just like the old gaming days of my youth ... oh well.  keep trying to get into the groups or ask around to folks here " can anyone recommend me for the group e.g. Dungeons and Dragons first ed. " or message the mods so they know you're legitimate and not a spammer or a bot.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: nope on August 13, 2019, 01:59:31 PM
The last time I looked at Facebook was at least a year ago to change my status from "dating" to "engaged" (I still haven't gotten around to setting it as "married" yet); and years again, before that.

While I can say definitively I have had no RPG-related experiences on FB, I can say that what I imagine it would be like is absolutely the worst and completely toxic to any rational or valuable conversation.

Then again, what with the fact I've never bothered dipping a toe and that so many here speaking to the contrary of my purely imaginary experience, I guess I must be the irrational one!:p
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Greentongue on August 13, 2019, 02:07:06 PM
I must not be paying close enough attention or am in the wrong groups because I haven't noticed a problem.

I guess I have well tuned blinders.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Moracai on August 13, 2019, 03:25:14 PM
I don't use FB much for anything, but I have been accepted to three Finnish speaking RPG-related FB groups. My profile there has an obviously fake name, a clown-face pic, and it says that I live in Antarctica :D

Edit - Actually more than 3 groups. 6 altogether I think, if including one of my gaming groups, one convention group, and one guild group.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Simlasa on August 13, 2019, 06:52:32 PM
Quote from: Antiquation!;1099301Then again, what with the fact I've never bothered dipping a toe and that so many here speaking to the contrary of my purely imaginary experience, I guess I must be the irrational one!:p
Generally it is considered irrational to give your imagined reality more validity than the one folks are actually experiencing... yeah... but since when has that stopped anyone with an axe to grind?

I'm sure there are some crappy RPG groups on YT, but I generally look before I leap and none of the ones I've joined have any discernible political leanings.
Now, there was a non-gaming scifi group that I left because they couldn't stop complaining about certain other groups... but that's it for the drama I've seen.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Toadmaster on August 13, 2019, 06:58:51 PM
I believe all were US based, although really hard to say, I mean Pundit is in Uruguay(?) so is this place US or Uruguay based? Ultimately does it even matter beyond being English language focused. At least one was a large CoC group, and the rest of a more general nature. None were OSR or D&D specific simply because I don't have a enough interest there to want only content of that variety.

Mostly just found it odd that the half dozen or so RPG groups seem to have such high gate keeping compared to all of my other diverse interests. The fact RPGs are not the forum desert found in many of my other interests kept in it on a back burner, but curiosity finally got the better of me. Seems so odd to have an 80%+ denial rate for RPGs and a 95%+ approval rate everywhere else.

It has been quite a while since my last rejection letter, maybe time to fish for another. :)
 

Quote from: Antiquation!;1099301The last time I looked at Facebook was at least a year ago to change my status from "dating" to "engaged" (I still haven't gotten around to setting it as "married" yet); and years again, before that.

While I can say definitively I have had no RPG-related experiences on FB, I can say that what I imagine it would be like is absolutely the worst and completely toxic to any rational or valuable conversation.

Then again, what with the fact I've never bothered dipping a toe and that so many here speaking to the contrary of my purely imaginary experience, I guess I must be the irrational one!:p


I was pretty much the same way, and still am in regards to FB as a whole. FB groups though has largely replaced yahoo groups / forums in many areas. While I wish there were more alternatives, FB groups does provide an easy way for niche groups to form. Great way to trade info on some of my more esoteric interests.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Simlasa on August 13, 2019, 09:22:41 PM
Quote from: Toadmaster;1099322FB groups though has largely replaced yahoo groups / forums in many areas. While I wish there were more alternatives, FB groups does provide an easy way for niche groups to form. Great way to trade info on some of my more esoteric interests.
The trouble with FB is that it is hard to track down interesting posts you saw a while back... everything is on a conveyor belt.
At least on Forums and Yahoo Groups and blogs the content remains relatively available/searchable.
For me FB is for hobby news and light discussion... but NOT for anything I might want to easily access at a later date.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Toadmaster on August 13, 2019, 11:24:13 PM
Quote from: Simlasa;1099327The trouble with FB is that it is hard to track down interesting posts you saw a while back... everything is on a conveyor belt.
At least on Forums and Yahoo Groups and blogs the content remains relatively available/searchable.
For me FB is for hobby news and light discussion... but NOT for anything I might want to easily access at a later date.

Yes, my biggest complaint. It is great for quick info, but terrible as an archive of information. Of course much the same can be said for the hopelessly outdated Yahoo groups format. It is theoretically searchable, but not like a forum.

That is pretty much how I use it to, light entertainment and current information. It works for a lot of the technical groups I'm in, because an old post on a forum could be out of date and since you can't pull up those posts there is less of that use Google, or use the search push back.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Spinachcat on August 13, 2019, 11:27:23 PM
Quote from: Toadmaster;1099322Seems so odd to have an 80%+ denial rate for RPGs and a 95%+ approval rate everywhere else.

That actually makes sense to me.

The RPG group mods are looking for specific identifiers for who they want in their groups. The other groups are looking for members and only deny when there are obvious red flags.

And considering how the RPG hobby online has been grotesquely poisoned, it doesn't surprise me FB group mods would be keeping high gates to only bring in "the right people" for their groups (searching for whatever identifiers key to what they consider the right people).
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Koltar on August 14, 2019, 12:09:13 AM
I am on Facebook two to three times a day - it seems like over 50% of my friends sort of 'live' on Facebook via their smart phones

I still have a flip phone.

So far I haven't joined a FB Role playing group....yet

Wait, does the local Pathfinder Society FB page count? I joined them because they meet at our store.

- Ed C.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Toadmaster on August 14, 2019, 01:03:09 AM
Quote from: Koltar;1099342Wait, does the local Pathfinder Society FB page count? I joined them because they meet at our store.

- Ed C.


Sure, those are the gateway drugs that lure people in.

My wife got a FB account because the roller derby team she was on used FB page exclusively to communicate among team members, post training schedules, date of the bouts etc. I got a FB account to follow my wife and sporadically other FB pages, particularly as companies started to update more regularly through FB rather than traditional websites.

It truly is an insidious plot that they have developed.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Kyle Aaron on August 14, 2019, 03:05:00 AM
Dunno, I've never been refused entry to a FB rpg group. I've been banned from rpg.net and startingstrength.com forums, but it's hard to spend 20+ years online and not offend someone... and the only ones easier to offend than SJWs are Manly Men.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Omega on August 14, 2019, 05:56:26 AM
Quote from: Greentongue;1099302I must not be paying close enough attention or am in the wrong groups because I haven't noticed a problem.

I guess I have well tuned blinders.

nah. There are alot of groups and it is pretty easy to go your whole experience on a site and not see a single problem. That has pretty much been my experience over on RPG.net. Not a single problem and  rarely see any of the SJW nonsense.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Spinachcat on August 14, 2019, 04:13:05 PM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1099358I've been banned from rpg.net and startingstrength.com forums

Story time! How did you get banned from Starting Strength?
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: nope on August 14, 2019, 04:27:34 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1099418Story time! How did you get banned from Starting Strength?

He probably just went around shilling bodyweight strength training and talking trash about deadlifts... :p
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Independence Games on August 14, 2019, 06:04:05 PM
Quote from: Toadmaster;1099256I don't have any photos attached to my account. It is a very dull account with basic personal details, schools attended, work history etc, just enough to link me to my past if somebody I used to know and lost contact with wanted to find me. I only got a FB account so I can see FB pages for companies and such. I've got maybe 2 dozen FB "friends" probably 1/2 people I know in real life, and 1/2 those from groups I'm in who friended me after some interaction in the group.

That may very well be the problem right there.  After enduring a long series of fake accounts made by people wanting to trash certain RPG products without having their real name known, several Admins of several Traveller groups (myself included) had to become more selective about who we let into the groups.  Other games also had been targeted by this same fake person and the other fake accounts they created.

Indeed, the fake account that was the most active had already been booted from non-Traveller groups before they targeted Traveller.

Usually the warning sign of a fake account from these folks was no personal pictures and very few friends.  So..that may be why you've had trouble.
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Toadmaster on August 15, 2019, 04:03:35 AM
Quote from: Gypsy Knights Games;1099431That may very well be the problem right there.  After enduring a long series of fake accounts made by people wanting to trash certain RPG products without having their real name known, several Admins of several Traveller groups (myself included) had to become more selective about who we let into the groups.  Other games also had been targeted by this same fake person and the other fake accounts they created.

Indeed, the fake account that was the most active had already been booted from non-Traveller groups before they targeted Traveller.

Usually the warning sign of a fake account from these folks was no personal pictures and very few friends.  So..that may be why you've had trouble.


I was thinking more of spammers which are a bane in all walks of the internet. I didn't even think about rabble rousers who could create much more realistic fake accounts, than the usual spam bot account. I used to be a mod on a very well behaved non-RPG forum, so 99% of my mod time was spent killing spam bots. The stupid things can't even put the right kind of fake info in the boxes making them very easy to spot.

The lack of a photo was the main red flag Jeff identified too. Guess it is time to pick a photo and join the collective.  :)

Thanks
Title: What is the deal with RPG Facebook Groups?
Post by: Melan on August 15, 2019, 04:22:13 AM
Quote from: Toadmaster;1099258In my favor, I think I might have liked Bernie's FB page, so I can keep up with his cool rants against the establishment. That should be worth something, oh right voting for old white guy who wants equality for all, is sexist I was supposed to vote for Grandma Nixon because "boobies". :p
If you think being a "Berniebro" will save you from the blue hair firing squad, I have some bad, bad news for you. As I understand it, at that point you might just as well put on your MAGA hat and decorate your wall with NRA stickers and bald eagles. :D

That said, MeWe has been refreshingly free of political poison of either brand. I can definitely recommend it over FB, the now defunct G+, and definitely Twitter.