QuoteWhat am I missing?

That walker is nothing more than a shit-stirring dickfuck who'll be crying back to RPGnet as soon as his ban is lifted.

Quote from: cmagounSo I have to admit not being in tune with what is kosher with respect to mod behavior on internet forums. Was adding another option wrong? Because really, none of the original options were viable for me... and presumably 15 other people (at the time of this post). Seeing as how a) none of the original options were altered and so it seems to me that someone could still vote and b) the original poster of the poll seemed to sign off on the change, I don't see a problem.

What am I missing?

These polls are obviously informal and unscientific, but they should at least be consistent from start to finish. So about 20 people had voted before the change who now can no longer vote.  It's all a big mess.  But what is the major problem for me is that he went in as a mod (something none of us can do) and changed the poll, without checking with the OP and he changed the title, with his name on it.  So the site then becomes more branded to him than itself.  If a mod went and changed my poll, I would flip my lid.  Now I know that is a possibility.

It's worse than having your threads moved, which is what they love to do over at rpg.net and the reason I don't post there anymore (also, it's really bland and dull).

Quote from: walkerpNot fuck with people's posts.  That's the main reason I came over here, because I heard that mod interference was minimal.  So far it has been, but this disturbs me.  He should have just made his own poll.

Well, I gotta agree with you there. Tony was asking a question of "How much X is OK", and the added option is "Well, it's not about how much X, it's about Y." What was added was basically "D. None of the above".

I figure if somebody thinks that Tony set up a false dichotomy, saying so in the thread and not voting at all makes sense. The other way to go is to mandate a "None of the above" in every poll, but again it seems like not voting is the way to go. You can see how many people voted -- if there's 5 votes and 25 people posting in the thread, nobody's going to argue the poll results are definitive!

I don't know the politics here, but I did look at enough old threads to get the impression that the forum owner doesn't like Tony. Whether or not a use of mod powers relates to that, or not, I can certainly understand why you would have that question. I can definately understand that even the impression that moderators use their mod-only powers to weigh in on a topic (rather than how it's discussed) would give a lot of people the heebee-jeebies.

Some of you may have voted otherwise if the poll had been reset, but I think that would be rewriting history, so I'd rather just keep the standing votes as they were, and have those who would have voted for the new option be free to say so. In any case, even without those "changed votes", its pretty clear now what the REAL majority opinion is here.

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walkerp, more people voted for the new option than any of the other options, and a fair number of people said they'd also have changed their vote to the new option as well.

If the point of the poll was to actually find out what people think, there you have it.  

If the point of the poll, as some have suggested, was more disingenuous then... too bad, I guess.  :shrug:

While I think TonyLB's poll was, frankly, bullshit, I also think Pundit's changing of the options was inappropriate.

"Well, now I can answer the poll." Man, who cares? If it's a dumb poll, don't respond. What, do you have some disease that compels you to answer every poll you see? Frankly I'd rather see a dumb poll with vague options, with full confidence that I can post my own equally dumbass poll and it will not be fucked with just because people don't like it, rather than see TonyLB's poll get the big latex-glove-up-the-ass just because it's TonyLB, regardless of how much I dislike his style.

Yeah, it ain't a democracy, I know. I'm just sayin'.

Quote from: walkerpLook!  The tide has turned!  The Swine are retreating!  Pundit has once again saved the day with his bold move when things were looking their darkest.

Ok, I get that... the holy "War" and all.

Look, I readily admit my bias. I am as "traditional" a gamer as you are going to find. I am not the least bit interested in story-games, GNS, The Forge, or DiTV. When I first signed on here, I sent Pundit a note of thanks for starting this site because frankly, I no longer felt at home reading or posting to other sites -- they had passed me by.

But really, aside from trying to drive home the point that this site is, in fact, hostile territory to the story-game set (which is undeniable), you must realize that the choices provided originally weren't comprehensive. I could not vote with the original four choices and neither could the majority of the site.

I think TonyLB will agree with that assessment and from his previous post, seemed to welcome the change.

Given that, I think the change made sense.

Quote from: StuartIf the point of the poll was to actually find out what people think, there you have it.

Which it was, so there you are.

Walker:  Seriously man, get a grip.  Pundit did me (and, I think, all of us) a favor here ... if I'd spent more time thinking up my poll questions, I probably would have included something (perhaps several varieties of something) very near what he added.

Not all moderation is oppressive moderation.

Quote from: walkerpThese polls are obviously informal and unscientific, but they should at least be consistent from start to finish.

Ok, I get that.

Quote from: RPGPunditIn any case, even without those "changed votes", its pretty clear now what the REAL majority opinion is here.

Pundit...it's a MEANINGLESS FUCKING INTERNET POLL. It doesn't mean anything. How did it possibly warrant use of the mighty mod power to fuck with it? You have a responsibility here, man.

Quote from: cmagounBut really, aside from trying to drive home the point that this site is, in fact, hostile territory to the story-game set (which is undeniable), you must realize that the choices provided originally weren't comprehensive. I could not vote with the original four choices and neither could the majority of the site.

Sure, then start a new poll.  Don't monkey with the original one.  It's just not good practice that Pundit feels comfortable just jumping into a thread and changing things at the beginning.  Yes, he announced it and made it very clear, but what if he one day decides to go in and start changing contents of posts?  He can do that as well.  It's a bad precedent.

Quote from: walkerpSure, then start a new poll.  Don't monkey with the original one.  It's just not good practice that Pundit feels comfortable just jumping into a thread and changing things at the beginning.  Yes, he announced it and made it very clear, but what if he one day decides to go in and start changing contents of posts?  He can do that as well.  It's a bad precedent.

If I'd wanted to do that, I'd have reset the poll altogether (or just closed the thread or whatever).

I didn't. So jump off your red herring, its swimming downstream to nowhere.

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Guys, I think we can agree that I'm as quick as anyone else to jump on Pundit's case for asshettery. If not quicker.

Yeah, he fucked up by editing someone else's post without their permission. It was an abuse of mod power. However, the OP says he's happy with the results, and has retroactively vetted the modding.

How about instead talking about the topic itself? I'll start:

I wouldn't change my vote away from the first option even though I do think that how you discuss things matters. I would have, but the example tagged onto the end stopped me. I personally will never detail necro-pedophilia, and will stick metaphorical fingers in my ears if it comes up in a game (and probably leave soon after if there wasn't a damn good reason for the scene). But just because it's past my limit doesn't mean it's past someone else's. I'm not entitled to make that call for them, and the last option forces me to.

Take the example off and I'm firmly in the camp of option 5.

Quote from: ghost ratWhile I think TonyLB's poll was, frankly, bullshit, I also think Pundit's changing of the options was inappropriate.

"Well, now I can answer the poll." Man, who cares? If it's a dumb poll, don't respond. What, do you have some disease that compels you to answer every poll you see? Frankly I'd rather see a dumb poll with vague options, with full confidence that I can post my own equally dumbass poll and it will not be fucked with just because people don't like it, rather than see TonyLB's poll get the big latex-glove-up-the-ass just because it's TonyLB, regardless of how much I dislike his style.

Yeah, it ain't a democracy, I know. I'm just sayin'.

I care. I wanna answer the dumb poll. I wanna post about it afterwards. Just like you wanna whine and rant about all of us not liking the poll and Pundit's changing it.

Quote from: RPGPunditIf I'd wanted to do that, I'd have reset the poll altogether (or just closed the thread or whatever).

I didn't. So jump off your red herring, its swimming downstream to nowhere.

You've crossed a line and you know it.  Of the two ideologies that define this site, free speech and anti-Swinism, it is clear that the latter wins out in your mind when they conflict.  

Not only that, the poll option you added actually contained specific content from the pirate thread, thus rendering any data on moral limits in games more moot than it already was with the original poll.  You might as well have just asked "who thinks Poison'd is sick?"