Quote from: Brad;680332You're choosing to be offended. Maybe you could choose to get the joke in the way it was intended.

I let obnoxious idiotic stuff slide all the time on here without saying anything.  I chose to be a friend to Helen than someone that laughs at her this time.  Offended?  No. Slightly revolted or perhaps simply dismayed.

Quote from: Kuroth;680348I let obnoxious idiotic stuff slide all the time on here without saying anything.  I chose to be a friend to Helen than someone that laughs at her this time.  Offended?  No. Slightly revolted or perhaps simply dismayed.

Shame she'll never hear about that.

Quote from: Kuroth;680348I let obnoxious idiotic stuff slide all the time on here without saying anything.  I chose to be a friend to Helen than someone that laughs at her this time.  Offended?  No. Slightly revolted or perhaps simply dismayed.

You're a friend to Helen Keller?

Man, you're old...

Quote from: Kuroth;680348I let obnoxious idiotic stuff slide all the time on here without saying anything.  I chose to be a friend to Helen than someone that laughs at her this time.  Offended?  No. Slightly revolted or perhaps simply dismayed.

So basically what you're saying is you have no sense of humor. Got it.

Let's not create a false dichotomy.  There's clearly a spectrum; on the one hand the DM cloaks everything in mystery and players can't know how things will vary from one moment to the other; on the other hand, everything is known to (or can be known by) the players and no room for mystery exists.  

A good GM (in my opinion) will follow established rules and when something doesn't work as expected, there will be a good reason for it that will eventually be revealed.  If the orcs are immune to weapons, for instance, I'm going to find out that there is a blessed oil of Grummesh or something; if the DM is just being a dick I hope to find that out as well.  

The fact is, we're all humans, and most DMs have abused their power at one time or another.  Call it a learning experience.  Hopefully they don't do it anymore.  But in the case that it happens, ensuring that the players can find out about it and respond with a request that the DM justify seemingly impossible game elements is my preference.

Quote from: Kuroth;680322She was brilliant. Using her for a joke in this way is moronic beyond only bad taste. I would have loved to meet her.  

Otherwise, this is the state of these game discussions.  The most bland static possible.

Again, if you can come up with another icon that makes the same point, I will concede.

Please try.

All these reactions to me defending an innocent woman from history.  Yet, it is from folks that actually participated in a discussion about children's tea parties and role-play games.  So...ya, it figures.  I toast to Helen in her Heavenly abode.  

I wouldn't normally bother with this type of thread at all, but role-play game are more like tea parties than cowboys and Indians.  Lots of sitting around and such.  When they were little children, my sisters never played tea party, though.  They enjoyed Barbie and GI Joe.  Dolls and action figures seem perhaps closest of small child games.

"Magical Tea Party" is a disparaging term used for any RPG where the players can't force the GM to do what they want using the rules text.

Quote from: Kuroth;680587All these reactions to me defending an innocent woman from history.  Yet, it is from folks that actually participated in a discussion about children's tea parties and role-play games.  So...ya, it figures.  I toast to Helen in her Heavenly abode.  

I wouldn't normally bother with this type of thread at all, but role-play game are more like tea parties than cowboys and Indians.  Lots of sitting around and such.  When they were little children, my sisters never played tea party, though.  They enjoyed Barbie and GI Joe.  Dolls and action figures seem perhaps closest of small child games.

When I was a kid I role- played. As an adult I do it with a few rules so all our imaginations get along. I don't think it needs be described as any more complex than that.

Anyone claiming "magic tea party" isnt derogatory is full of shit. There's really nothing more to it. Role players reject this label wholesale, and it's retardedly unecessary. There's already a term for it: role-playing. "magical tea party" comes solely from those go whom role-playing is a subordinate concern or distraction from the point of their games (which is usually "character optimization" and contrived combat scenarios.

Quote from: TristramEvans;680592When I was a kid I role- played. As an adult I do it with a few rules so all our imaginations get along. I don't think it needs be described as any more complex than that.

Anyone claiming "magic tea party" isnt derogatory is full of shit. There's really nothing more to it. Role players reject this label wholesale, and it's retardedly unecessary. There's already a term for it: role-playing. "magical tea party" comes solely from those go whom role-playing is a subordinate concern or distraction from the point of their games (which is usually "character optimization" and contrived combat scenarios.

Oh, for sure.  When folks on rpgnet or other place say 'magical tea party' they mean it in a derogatory way. Does that really need to be stated?  I personally don't have a derogatory image of children playing that type of game, though.  When they use the image as derogatory, I sort of find it lacking empathy with children too.  I imagine they wouldn't say "playing Barbie" for a slur because Barbie is thought sexist by them.  It is all stupid.

Quote from: Kuroth;680596Oh, for sure.  When folks on rpgnet or other place say 'magical tea party' they mean it in a derogatory way.

Yeah, and it's pretty much always in conjunction with a game where the GM can say "no".

Which means that its use tells me more about the player than anything else.

Quote from: robiswrong;680601Yeah, and it's pretty much always in conjunction with a game where the GM can say "no".

Which means that its use tells me more about the player than anything else.

I used 'oh, for sure' as 'it is obvious'.  These bizzaro issues are made-up by odd balls to have simulated discussion from remote locations.  It is common at rpgnet, and it is nearly common elsewhere.  It is pointless.

Quote from: Kuroth;680611I used 'oh, for sure' as 'it is obvious'.  These bizzaro issues are made-up by odd balls to have simulated discussion from remote locations.  It is common at rpgnet, and it is nearly common elsewhere.  It is pointless.

Yes, we're in violent agreement.  I was adding on, not disagreeing.

Quote from: robiswrong;680612Yes, we're in violent agreement.  I was adding on, not disagreeing.

Ya, as you say.  Anyway, I hope all have good games planned for the week.

Quote from: Kuroth;680348I let obnoxious idiotic stuff slide all the time on here without saying anything.  I chose to be a friend to Helen than someone that laughs at her this time.  Offended?  No. Slightly revolted or perhaps simply dismayed.

Quote from: Rincewind1;680375Shame she'll never hear about that.

Indeed.

JG