If it is made out of pig?

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A swine game is one in which human garbage plays, such as RaHoWa or F.A.T.A.L.  
 
It could also be defined as a game that attracts a lot of human waste, such as Rifts, or Vampire LARPS.
 
An opened ended system that allows for asshattery w/o consequence.
 
A system that allows for players to buy books that a GM has never heard of and add merits/flaws/talents/feats, etc that said GM has not heard of.
 
Games Republicans play.

From what I've been able to ferret out, from extensive talks with the people who like to use the label:  "Swine" refers to a person who has a certain attitude toward their play ... notably one that elevates a sense of egotism and superiority over fun.  Swine players, by definition, do not play in order to have fun, but for some other (baser) purpose.

The tricky thing is, all swine apparently lie about why they play.  They claim that they're having fun, and that they play the types of games that they do because that's what they find fun.  But people on the outside are able to intuit, from their understanding of human nature, that it's all a lie.  Nobody could possibly have fun playing a Swine game.

So a Swine game would be one that could not possibly lead to fun, for anyone, at any time, but is played nonetheless, by people falsely claiming to enjoy it.

Quote from: shalvayez;242395...or Vampire LARPS.

Does it count if you were only going to hook up with the one attractive chick in the place? If so, fuck... I'm swine.

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I'd happily call someone who uses a game to engage in violent rape fantasies, like in Poison'd a swine, regardless of how the game is meant to be played. In fact I wouldn't stop at swine either, as such people are clearly mentally ill.

Quote from: GrimJesta;242402Does it count if you were only going to hook up with the one attractive chick in the place? If so, fuck... I'm swine.

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Dude, when I was in Berkeley in the mid nineties there was way, way more than one attractive girl in that circle. I was invited in, but after having coffee with a couple of them, I realized, that despite my mind numbing lust, there was a limit to my desperation. It made me kind of sad, really.

Quote from: Aos;242408Dude, when I was in Berkeley in the mid nineties there was way, way more than one attractive girl in that circle. I was invited in, but after having coffee with a couple of them, I realized, that despite my mind numbing lust, there was a limit to my desperation. It made me kind of sad, really.

That's why you only go to get your penis wet, not a relationship. And make sure they stay in character. Their made-up personalities are usually way cooler (I had one exception to that).

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Quote from: shalvayez;242395A swine game is one in which human garbage plays, such as RaHoWa or F.A.T.A.L.  
 
It could also be defined as a game that attracts a lot of human waste, such as Rifts, or Vampire LARPS.
 
An opened ended system that allows for asshattery w/o consequence.
 
A system that allows for players to buy books that a GM has never heard of and add merits/flaws/talents/feats, etc that said GM has not heard of.
 
Games Republicans play.

Everything but that last sentence you got right.

Most of the "Republicans" who stop by the strore tend to play traditional RPGs (D&D, Tunnels & Trolls), Shadowrun)...with a lot of nostalgia for TWILIGHT 2000 and TRAVELLER amongst them.

- Ed C.

Quote from: Koltar;242426Everything but that last sentence you got right.

Most of the "Republicans" who stop by the strore tend to play traditional RPGs (D&D, Tunnels & Trolls), Shadowrun)...with a lot of nostalgia for TWILIGHT 2000 and TRAVELLER amongst them.

- Ed C.

Holy crap! I am a republican.....

Bill
Edit: Oh, and never trust the swine that make squirrel games. They are just one step away from pigs. The other other white meat.

I shall henceforth call you Squine.

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"Swine" is really just convenient shorthand for the typical pretentious, elitist, self-limiting complex found in many fandoms and media, at least as Pundit uses it.  So called "indie" Forge shit tends to fall right into this category, the key hallmark being a sort of "railroad by system", intentially narrowing the focus to try and force the players as best as possible to play exactly the way the designer intended.  This sort of exclusionary philosophy and "cult of the designer" attitude is very much at odds with more traditional gaming models, which tend to be more about providing an open toolkit, and giving final authority to the GM in all matters rule, system, and setting.

Quote from: J Arcane;242451"Swine" is really just convenient shorthand for the typical pretentious, elitist, self-limiting complex found in many fandoms and media, at least as Pundit uses it.  So called "indie" Forge shit tends to fall right into this category, the key hallmark being a sort of "railroad by system", intentially narrowing the focus to try and force the players as best as possible to play exactly the way the designer intended.  This sort of exclusionary philosophy and "cult of the designer" attitude is very much at odds with more traditional gaming models, which tend to be more about providing an open toolkit, and giving final authority to the GM in all matters rule, system, and setting.

But if people play a narrowly focussed game because they enjoy the type of play that it provides, does that make them swine?

Quote from: GrimJesta;242437I shall henceforth call you Squine.

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I think I will run with this. I am founding a new Squine Nation!

Bill

Quote from: TonyLB;242452But if people play a narrowly focussed game because they enjoy the type of play that it provides, does that make them swine?

Yeah, just as courtesy, I have no intention whatsoever of going round with you again just to help you play Mr. bible salesman some more.

Find someone else to abuse for your own PR purposes, thanks.

Only J Arcane could make not having an answer the other guy's fault.