What Mike S. said.

and I fully support the movement to legitamize and make common practice the use of the term "Squine" to refer to anyone who produces, plays or generally supports games with squirrels in them.

Quote from: Silverlion;242473It's a LONG long story, beginning with a gaming blog, and ending with a topic ban on RPG.net (for a long time), and a general significant lost of credibility for Ron and the Forge.

And you can of course find Uncle Ronny's part in it in the Big List of Links at the top of this forum.

Quote from: J Arcane;242458And only JDCorley would wander blindly into a thread just to make a snarky comment completely ignorant of context of past forum history, just so he can continue to feel all smug and self-satisfied about how much "better" he is than the rest of us.

"past forum history"?! I admit, I tend not to pay attention to that illustrious field, to which no doubt you have dedicated the highest and best efforts of your or any other generation.  Poor me, I just pay attention to what questions get answered and which don't.  Not that you have to answer anyone's questions. Like they do at the Forge, you can just refer people to "past forum history" and be done with it.

(However, I am aware of all Internet traditions.)

QuoteFuck off back to RPGnet already.

Done! Nobody ever has to ask me to leave a place twice.

Quote from: JDCorley;242507"past forum history"?! I admit, I tend not to pay attention to that illustrious field, to which no doubt you have dedicated the highest and best efforts of your or any other generation.  Poor me, I just pay attention to what questions get answered and which don't.  Not that you have to answer anyone's questions. Like they do at the Forge, you can just refer people to "past forum history" and be done with it.

(However, I am aware of all Internet traditions.)



Done! Nobody ever has to ask me to leave a place twice.

A single thread is not a vacuum, and should not be treated as one.  My comment to Tony was in regards to his previous behavior on this forum as that of a slimy and manipulative PR worm.

That's what I mean by context, and your lack of it.  And if you were actually interested in engaging this forum and spending some time actually discussing things, you may well have known that.

But you're not.  You're here to feel all cool and hip and ironic by dropping in at random intervals to snark at the locals before pottering off back to RPGnet where you can brag about how superior you are, despite the fact that you wouldn't even get away with that kind of shit without being banned if you'd posted it there.  

I believe the standard elitist expression for such behavior is "slumming it".  But that may be out of fashion by now, I don't know.  I work for a living these days.

Stop being such an asshole, J Arcane.  There's no need for it now that you are gainfully employed.

All I know is that while Forge people generally sound like nutcases to me, everyone who calls Forge folks swine sound like unbelievably insufferable pricks.

I'm not completely sure which I prefer.

(Mind you, I suspect Ron is both)

Quote from: walkerp;242523Stop being such an asshole, J Arcane.  There's no need for it now that you are gainfully employed.

On full disclosure, I'm mostly annoyed at him now for linking what is probably the lamest "internet meme" I've ever seen.

Quote from: walkerp;242523Stop being such an asshole, J Arcane.  There's no need for it now that you are gainfully employed.

On full disclosure, I'm mostly annoyed at him now for linking what is probably the lamest "internet meme" I've ever seen.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;242285Basically it seems to mean a game designed by people who feel themselves superior to other gamers by virtue of their "more evolved" gaming, or some shit like that, a game designed to make them feel special.

This.

By this definition, RIFTs is swinish game -- which is should be recognized as.  it's lazy, self-indulgent, and it's author has delusions of competency.

That's something Kevin Siembieda and Ron Edwards have in common: both of them think they're God's Gift To Gaming, when in fact they are hacks.  Kevin is a pandering, plagiarizing hack, while Edwards is a pretentious, unoriginal blow-hard of a hack.

But I think the swine term generally refers less to hacks who reel in shitty games, and more to the attitudes of the pretentious end of the pool.

The core of the Forge game designers -- Ron Edwards and Vincent Baker -- both have far more ego than good sense, and while I think a lot of the designers they have inspired are unfairly lumped into the definition of "Forge swine" by association, they have certainly attracted a lot of people into writing games who clearly have no idea what the actual gaming community is made up of.  

There's a handful of "designers" who are writing games that seem like something you'd "play" as part of a "consciousness building exercise" at some sort of retreat, rather than being, well, you know, games.  These designers definitely foster an attitude amongst themselves that what they are doing is more important and thus better than games played "for fun."

They're like NPR hosts who give off that air that the idea of entertaining radio is completely gauche.  It doesn't mean everything on NPR is douchebaggey crap, but I can see why someone would characterize it that way.

Quote from: J Arcane;242570On full disclosure, I'm mostly annoyed at him now for linking what is probably the lamest "internet meme" I've ever seen.

On the other hand, it did lead me to http://www.yearbookyourself.com/

which is quite funny.

Quote from: Fritzs;242474I have fun at playing several Forge games... apparently I only deluded myself... and, well, Koltar, how do you know I haven't had fun...? Do you have some sort of mind reading ability or what...?

I've had fun playing several Forge games.  Don't Rest Your Head was an awesome game, an a fun break from normal gaming fare.  Several other Forge games could easily be fun.

But then there's a "game" like Steal Away Jordan.  This is the book's own selling text:    Steal Away Jordan is a role playing game written in the spirit of neo slave narratives like Margaret Walker's Jubilee, Toni Morrison's Beloved, and Octavia Butler's Kindred. Like these fictional accounts of slave life, players explore the social and psychological implications of life in a society where people can be property. Ultimately, players consider slavery's long-term impact on a society and on the descendants of slaves and slave owners.This is not a description of having fun.

Players explore the social and psychological implications and players consider long-term impact on a society?  This is not a game designed to be fun.  If you have fun playing this game is, then you have a decidedly abnormal definition of fun.

This is swine game.  A game that exists only because the author is self-indulgent to the point where she doesn't care if the game is fun, because it will make people think!  Calling this a game is deceptive advertising.  It's a consciousness raising exercise.

Quote from: Jackalope;242619This is swine game.  A game that exists only because the author is self-indulgent to the point where she doesn't care if the game is fun, because it will make people think!  Calling this a game is deceptive advertising.  It's a consciousness raising exercise.

I've got it. Looks like a game to me.

Quote from: droog;242620I've got it. Looks like a game to me.

Yeah, and I've got a lamp that looks like a naked lady.  Doesn't mean I'd fuck it.

So, how many campaigns of Steal Away Jordan have you run?  Sessions?  You get a lot of players signing up to do some exploring of the socio-political implications of slavery?

Quote from: Jackalope;242621So, how many campaigns of Steal Away Jordan have you run?  Sessions?  You get a lot of players signing up to do some exploring of the socio-political implications of slavery?

I only got it a couple of weeks ago, but I do know at least one group who would lap it up. But I've got nothing to prove to you.

Of course that slave thingo is a game. Whether it's a fun game we don't know, and I doubt it. But if a game which isn't fun isn't a game, then we have to exclude quite a few campaigns I've played, and more than one I've run! Which would be silly.

I don't understand this geek obsession with the Not A True Scotsman fallacy. Of course these things are games. Duh.