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What is a "Swine" game?

Started by NotYourMonkey, August 30, 2008, 11:19:58 PM

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NotYourMonkey

August 30, 2008, 11:19:58 PM
Well, how do you define a swinish game?  What is a swinish game?  Why?
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Vellorian

#1
August 30, 2008, 11:35:00 PM
Roleplaying life on a pig farm, using pig-crap rolled into balls as "dice".

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I got nothin'
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gleichman

#2
August 30, 2008, 11:45:37 PM
The answer I give in another thread:

Almost anything from the Forge.

Typcially mechancs intended to drive Story, light mechanics at that. Often with a pretentious air and especially if the subject drifts into what used to be morally questionable areas.
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Vellorian

#3
August 30, 2008, 11:55:23 PM
I tend not to like Forge games.

However, I take issue with the idea that "light mechanics" would make a game "swine".

I would incline myself to think of "heavy mechanics" more for that territory.  Heavy mechanics tend to breed rules-lawyers--who seem more related to swine players than any other.
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gleichman

#4
August 31, 2008, 12:01:39 AM
Quote from: Vellorian;242268However, I take issue with the idea that "light mechanics" would make a game "swine".

Take whatever exception you wish. It still won't change that common characteristic of that type of game.
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Vellorian

#5
August 31, 2008, 12:11:09 AM
Quote from: gleichman;242270Take whatever exception you wish. It still won't change that common characteristic of that type of game.

So far, the only "common" element I've heard has come from one source--you.

And you seem to have a proclivity for heavy mechanics, as I recall.

Thus, I'm inclined to suspect that the "common characteristic" is more in your eyes than necessarily so "common".

As I said, the tendency to be boarish, overbearing and having swinish behavior has been (in my experience) more associated with rules lawyers--who are more inclined to like rules-heavy systems.
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gleichman

#6
August 31, 2008, 12:17:55 AM
Quote from: Vellorian;242271So far, the only "common" element I've heard has come from one source--you.

I've been the only person to answer the question so far. What else would you expect?

In the future you shouldn't jump so fast. It shows a biased mind unwilling to examine anything that doesn't agree with it. And this site doesn't lack for those already, it would be cool if you'd do better.
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Silverlion

#7
August 31, 2008, 12:48:18 AM
There are quite a few definitions, I suspect for most people it will be "Things I don't like", with a focus on Forge promoted games--including things which are mechanics heavy (to me) like Riddle of Steel, and Burning Wheel.
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gleichman

#8
August 31, 2008, 12:58:07 AM
Quote from: Silverlion;242277ncluding things which are mechanics heavy (to me) like Riddle of Steel, and Burning Wheel.

Neither come close to mechanics heavy, being rather medium at best.

And neither were really Forge games, but rather adopted Forge games. Of course I think D&D 4E is a somewhat adopted Forge game too (or at least should be).
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Kyle Aaron

#9
August 31, 2008, 01:21:10 AM
Basically it seems to mean a game designed by people who feel themselves superior to other gamers by virtue of their "more evolved" gaming, or some shit like that, a game designed to make them feel special.

But ask Pundit, he's the one who came up with the term, and the only one who uses it frequently.
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Vellorian

#10
August 31, 2008, 01:35:49 AM
If Pundit coined the term, then I'd be most interested to see his definition thereof. :)
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KrakaJak

#11
August 31, 2008, 01:58:25 AM
Pundit has a "Defining Swine" sticky in his forum. I'm to lazy to make a link, bt you can read his definition there.
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Vaecrius

#12
August 31, 2008, 03:03:41 AM
With that definition... online, ~systemless~ play-by-posts.

The kind most frequently sourced in the Bad RPers Suck LJ group.

Fritzs

#13
August 31, 2008, 03:15:17 AM
Swine game=game you don't like, whose author, players, whoever, claims it to be better, than game you like.

Also any game, that claims to have different goals than simply providing you with fun (which means rolling dice, while pretending to be elf), because RPGs are the shitiest form of eskapism, that can never under any circumstances serve any different purpose...
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obryn

#14
August 31, 2008, 03:22:27 AM
It's a ridiculous classification used primarily (possibly exclusively) by posters on this site to feel like they're better than folks who play games they don't like.

It's like a backwards Forge phenomenon, only people who use the term "swine game" think the Forgies are brain-damaged.

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