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What everybody forgets about the OSR

Started by estar, April 26, 2017, 09:42:55 PM

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Dumarest

Cynthia Nixon?!

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Willmark

Quote from: Black Vulmea;967556Neener, neener.

There are actually a bunch of threads where Pundejo rails against the OSR and gets shit for it because everyone knew it was just him lashing out that FtA! was filed under 'games no one cares about.'

Just when you think the grogs can't get any "groggier" then surprise you yet again.

What the actual fuck was that?

estar

Quote from: Willmark;967800Just when you think the grogs can't get any "groggier" then surprise you yet again.

What the actual fuck was that?

What it says on the tin. Since that exchange, Pundit started railing against the OSR Taliban.

Nexus

Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

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Baulderstone

Quote from: Nexus;967842What is the "OSR Taliban"?

They are the ones that shot that little girl in the head just because she wanted to go to a school that taught 5th Edition.

Armchair Gamer

Quote from: Nexus;967842What is the "OSR Taliban"?

   I'm not entirely sure, given Pundit's ... idiosyncratic approaches and definitions, but based on his behavior, I'm pretty sure it includes James Maliszewski. ;)

   (Grognardia put me off the OSR, but I actually do own one of JMal's books ... BESM Space Fantasy. :) Turns out he contributed to the Power of the Jedi Sourcebook for Star Wars d20 as well.)

Dumarest

Quote from: Nexus;967842What is the "OSR Taliban"?

Something just as real as the Illuminati.

crkrueger

Quote from: Nexus;967842What is the "OSR Taliban"?

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;967844I'm not entirely sure, given Pundit's ... idiosyncratic approaches and definitions, but based on his behavior, I'm pretty sure it includes James Maliszewski. ;)

   (Grognardia put me off the OSR, but I actually do own one of JMal's books ... BESM Space Fantasy. :) Turns out he contributed to the Power of the Jedi Sourcebook for Star Wars d20 as well.)

We've got a thread going on that right now. So far we have personal beefs combined with random people no one can name or point to leading to a idiotically overblown stereotype that doesn't actually exist outside of Jmal.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

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Armchair Gamer

Quote from: CRKrueger;967851We've got a thread going on that right now. So far we have personal beefs combined with random people no one can name or point to leading to a idiotically overblown stereotype that doesn't actually exist outside of Jmal.

  Well, part of my point was that the Pundit seems to have an irrational animus against Maliszewski. But perhaps the OSR Taliban doesn't exist, at least not any more, and the things that gave people the impression it did were a combination of converts' initial zeal, the general harshness of ephemeral forum discussions, and the hostility of the Edition Wars (2007-2015).

DavetheLost

Fortunately for me I don't frequent Grognardia, and am not at all sure I have any of Maliszewski's works.

My sanity seems the better for it.

crkrueger

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;967855Well, part of my point was that the Pundit seems to have an irrational animus against Maliszewski. But perhaps the OSR Taliban doesn't exist, at least not any more, and the things that gave people the impression it did were a combination of converts' initial zeal, the general harshness of ephemeral forum discussions, and the hostility of the Edition Wars (2007-2015).

It still exists as a stereotype, as a mythical strawman one can trot out to demonize and criticize a whole group of people who do not meet the definition.  Look at  the Appendix N thread.  Supposedly, there's this group of people out there who "worship" Appendix N like it's their Holy Text, or subject it to "Talmudic" study, like they are you or Gronan, who actually have spent years studying real Holy Texts as an academic and spiritual endeavor.  The idea is idiotic and ludicrous on its face.

But "we all know people like that are out there ;)" - bullshit.  There's no one like that out there.  Jmal hasn't made a Grognardia post for five years, and even when he was, he was challenged on his own blog.

If I started calling BoxCrayonTales or FVB a "Narrative Nazi" or Jay Little the "Forgian KKK Grand Wizard" people would look at me like I was nuts, and they'd be right, because it's crazytalk.  Yet someone says "OSR Taliban" and people just say "Oh yeah, one of those" as if those people actually exist.

The only one treating the term with the level of absolute mockery it deserves is Baulderstone.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

kosmos1214

Quote from: Black Vulmea;967556Neener, neener.

There are actually a bunch of threads where Pundejo rails against the OSR and gets shit for it because everyone knew it was just him lashing out that FtA! was filed under 'games no one cares about.'

Quote from: estar;967568Thank Black Vulmea. And it when downhill from there.  Pundit being offended and argumentative is reasonable. Ranting about the OSR Taliban for eight years is and making up a inaccurate story about how the OSR was back in the beginning is not.

And are take away is supposed to be what exactly???? other then there's A bunch of people in that thread that don't really post here any more I assume cuz they lack the guts to put up with pun pun.

Armchair Gamer

Quote from: CRKrueger;967858The only one treating the term with the level of absolute mockery it deserves is Baulderstone.

Fair enough. You've convinced me that despite some scattered intemperate statements in the past, the 'OSR Taliban' is essentially the mirror image of 'the Swine.'

Christopher Brady

Quote from: estar;967839What it says on the tin. Since that exchange, Pundit started railing against the OSR Taliban.

Pundit really needs to learn to let things go...
"And now, my friends, a Dragon\'s toast!  To life\'s little blessings:  wars, plagues and all forms of evil.  Their presence keeps us alert --- and their absence makes us grateful." -T.A. Barron[/SIZE]

estar

Quote from: Christopher Brady;967881Pundit really needs to learn to let things go...

Hey look something we can agree on!