Quote from: CRKrueger;965343Well, if the following model is correct:

First people made content of Type A
Later they made content of Type B
Even Later they made content of Type C

Then once people started making Type C, that doesn't mean people can't or won't make Type A or Type B content.  "Wave" is just a Type, not a defined era or exclusive window.

Correct.

Quote from: estar;965346There was never a time when the retro-clones were the only game in town or the main focus.

In my experience, there certainly was a time when they (and adventures for those clones) were definitely the main focus. There was a time when all anyone talked about related to the OSR were the clones.

QuoteBy the time Stuart Marshall set off the Pundit with his crack about Forward the Adventure!, the OSR was well beyond any type of discernible wave than the the fact it was diversifying fast due to the use of open content.

Except it was very clear that even by that time, there was a sense that anything that wasn't "pure" enough was dismissed by the "in crowd" of the OSR-taliban.

Quote from: CRKrueger;965350Well, Pundit what do you consider the first Wave 3 OSR product and Estar, do you have examples of that type of product that occurred earlier?

Probably Red Tide.

Quote from: estar;965548Here are some of what I remember
Carcosa 2008

Drivel.

QuoteMutant Future 2008

Gamma World Clone

QuoteRuins & Ronin 2009

Oriental Adventures clone.

QuoteAge of Conan 2009

Haven't actually looked at this one, so I can't judge.

QuoteMajestic Wilderlands 2009

2nd Wave. Very interesting new classes and rules, but entirely superficial coverage of the setting (because of course the setting itself is an old-school product).

QuoteWarriors of Mars 2010

I had to look this one up. All I found was what's allegedly a TSR miniatures wargame from 1974?

QuoteStars without Number 2011

2nd Wave. Not actually a clone, as such, but set up as OD&D in space, with all the focus on rules. Setting is almost entirely implicit.

Quote from: Baulderstone;965933. But hey, attaching "Gygaxian" to something makes it sound more authentic.

Appropriating Gygax's name as some kind of sacred call to his own utterly undeserved authority was Maliszewski's only play. He was a fraud and poison to the OSR.

Quote from: RPGPundit;966248

QuoteWarriors of Mars

I had to look this one up. All I found was what's allegedly a TSR miniatures wargame from 1974?

I think Estar meant Warriors of the Red Planet. It is OD&D rebuilt as planetary romance -- and kind of neat.

Quote from: RPGPundit;966246In my experience, there certainly was a time when they (and adventures for those clones) were definitely the main focus. There was a time when all anyone talked about related to the OSR were the clones.

Talked about sure, publishing stuff not so much.

Much of the attention focused on OSRIC in the beginning were focused on debates over its legality. Shortly after it release Clark Peterson of Necormancer Games made a very negative comment about it legality that fueled a widespread debate for a half of a year.

Quote from: RPGPundit;966246Except it was very clear that even by that time, there was a sense that anything that wasn't "pure" enough was dismissed by the "in crowd" of the OSR-taliban.

Nice story except other than Stuart Marshall levying a personal insult at your work, you have demonstrated any thing concrete that resulted from the fact one group liked to play, publish, and promote AD&D above all else. And your focus on OSR-taliban show your ignorance over the one attempt at having an organized effort within the OSR which was TARGA. Which promptly  fell apart over how "kids friendly" the OSR should be.

As "dramatic" as it all sounds TARGA, OSRIC, or any other type of clone never had a chance of exerting any type of creative control. As due to the use of open content and digital distribution there is no lever one can move to prevent wide spread distribution of one's work.

Quote from: ChristopherKubasik;966279I think Estar meant Warriors of the Red Planet. It is OD&D rebuilt as planetary romance -- and kind of neat.

No this by Jason Vey what I was talking about.

Red Planet was in active development early on. I thought planetary romance would be the next big thing around 2009 and 2010. But it took a while before it was released and I quickly released the big thing was everybody doing everything one can do with classic D&D mechanics. Afterwards I quit trying to predict where the OSR will go.

Oh, my! I wonder how Jason Vey gets away with that cover? Pretty sure he doesn't have permission from the Frazetta estate to use that painting..., Or Hasbro to use the TSR logo and Dungeons&Dragons trade dress.

If you really want Planetary Romance check out Marcus Roland's "Forgotten Futures"  or Under the Moons of Zoon which is more than just another Barsoom clone. Zoon actually feels like an old school RPG from back in the 70s.

Quote from: DavetheLost;966452Oh, my! I wonder how Jason Vey gets away with that cover? Pretty sure he doesn't have permission from the Frazetta estate to use that painting..., Or Hasbro to use the TSR logo and Dungeons&Dragons trade dress.

Probably flies under Wizards's radar notice it presented as a fan download rather something he trying to sell. Doesn't make a difference as far copyright goes. However it is representative of the interest in planetary romances around the time and not everything was clone this and clone that as Pundit makes it out to be.

Quote from: estar;966441No this by Jason Vey what I was talking about.

Red Planet was in active development early on. I thought planetary romance would be the next big thing around 2009 and 2010. But it took a while before it was released and I quickly released the big thing was everybody doing everything one can do with classic D&D mechanics. Afterwards I quit trying to predict where the OSR will go.

Thanks for the info on the game! That Honor system looks keen.

I did snag a copy of this supplement. I do love me some Barsoom.

Regardless, it was so influential that no one on this thread except Estar ever heard of it.

In reference to the thread title, I guess everybody "forgot" about it.

Quote from: RPGPundit;966855Regardless, it was so influential that no one on this thread except Estar ever heard of it.

Jason Vey is the author of Spellcraft and Swordplay a Silver seller on both OBS sites. The webpage where he hosts Warriors of Mars has a number of well known OSR resources. Now well known in the OSR is a relative term. Anything specific to the OSR is in inherently obscure to the larger hobby. Majestic Wilderlands is an electrum seller on RPGNow putting it in the top 2% of sales and it is obscure.

So the fact that you and other in this thread haven't heard of it or Jason Vey isn't surprising. But it had it day day being discussed and then it faded away. To get a handle on it impact you will have to ask Jason what his download numbers are.