Quote from: Settembrini;959688Rather: relic, remnant, remains, rescue, refuse, reject, religion, radical; rockerboy

recalcitrant

Quote from: estar;959626I submit that we live in a second golden age of tabletop roleplaying and in some ways exceed the first age in the 70s. That if you ever find yourself wondering where everything went all you need to do is shift your perspective to another corner of the OSR. In the years since the release of Gonnerman's Basic Fantasy and Marshal and Finch's OSRIC the OSR has grown far and wide. There are forums, blogs, websites, kickstarters, paterons, Google Plus, Facebook, etc, etc.

Preach it, estar, for I am tired of people predicting the death of a hobby that keeps producing new games, and that has preserved a huge number of existing ones in what is, essentially, a form that would be nearly eternal as long as computers exist;)!

Quote from: Psikerlord;959667Open Game Content for the win. The more ideas we get to bend, stretch and twist (old & new) the better our hobby will grow to be.

Also, this:).

Quote from: estar;959705recalcitrant

And I don't know about Gronan, but I like "Old school recalcitrant"!

Quote from: Spinachcat;959672I agree with Estar. It's a glorious mess.

A glorious mess indeed.

Quote from: Settembrini;959688Gronan is OSR, it's just for him, the "R" is neither revival, rennaissance, ruckus, rebellion nor revolution.

Rather: relic, remnant, remains, rescue, refuse, reject, religion, radical; rockerboy

You forgot rabid, recidivist, raging, romping, rowrbazzle.

Also, I wish there was a synonym for "flatulent" that began with R.

So once again Cupcake Binky comes into an old-school thread for the sole purpose of telling us all we're doing it wrong, and publicly shitting himself in the process.  For somebody who whines so much about other people telling him he's doing it wrong, he is always and invariably the first one to throw that phrase out there.

Quote from: estar;959684you don't really know jack shit

That's all you really needed to say.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;959716You forgot rabid, recidivist, raging, romping, rowrbazzle.

Also, I wish there was a synonym for "flatulent" that began with R.

ripsaw?

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;959716You forgot rabid, recidivist, raging, romping, rowrbazzle.

Also, I wish there was a synonym for "flatulent" that began with R.

Rumbling... :-)

BTW, I don't resemble that remark at all.... my wife doesn't at all insist we keep a window open in the bedroom...

Quote from: estar;959684Freedom means Freedom. As long as that person isn't trying to use coercion via control of distribution or some other limited publishing resource I have no problem with them being an asshole about their preferences. And expression of one's opinion is not coercion despite some  folks belief in "mindshare", "meme", or some other group philosophy bullshit.

That's what I've been saying, but every time, someone comes in and whines about how the modern D&D scene is terrible or some such bullshit.

Quote from: estar;959684OK if it is nothing more than versions of D&D then make your next campaign core book only OD&D. Doesn't sound appealing? Wow! You have preferences. Some prefer classic editions, some 'as is' some kitbashed with various other mechanics, some like to use newer RPGs but run using the same setup, adventures, and elements of older editions. And some get enthusiastic about what they are doing.  Seriously are you actually critizing people for being enthusiastic about older edition?

I run 5e for WoTC's Adventure League, and I've got a Scarlet Heroes game going with a friend.  They're both D&D and they both fill a different 'need'.  I'm not sure what you're implying.  There's enthusiasm about a game and then there's bashing people because they like something newer or older than you.

Quote from: estar;959684The fact you are trying to paint the OSR with this just demonstrates that you don't really know jack shit about even how a small segment of it operates. I suggest you look up Goodman Games DCC RPG, Jeff Rients, Dan Proctor & Pacesetter Games, Blood & Treasure, Stars without Numbers before trying to make the argument that the OSR is mostly comprised of people who only have a narrow interest in older editions.

You know, in the 90's we would have called those 'D&D heartbreakers'. right?  And you know what makes OSR different?  Time and WoTC's 3e OGL.  Attitudes changed around that time, and people realized that they could reprint older editions their way.  And now we have a new subset of the edition wars!  Which never ended.

Quote from: estar;959684The same for people trying to "push" their fun onto you. Ever hear of the OD&D dicussion forum? Probably not given your demonstrated lack of knowledge about the OSR. It is noted for its friendly atmosphere that basically boils down to "Hey y'all come on over to the porch and lets talk some OD&D! Not your thing? That all right have a nice day."

You mean like this place?  When people automatically bash whatever edition they don't like, or isn't the edition they never stopped playing?  I hear a lot of people slamming 3.x for example, now admittedly, I have no real good thing to say about 3.x of late, but it did revitalize D&D for a while, so much so it effectively lasted through another edition.

It's clear you think that the OSR is some godsend and second coming of D&D, but a fair amount of just aren't seeing the reason why people like you need to hold on to it and whine about how the big companies are ruining D&D or some such tripe.

Estar never said a word about "big companies ruining D&D" and never bashed anyone else's favored edition or preferred D&D knockoff. The gist of what he wrote is, "These are great times for roleplaying games and the OSR has opened up a lot of options for us to enjoy." It's unclear what Christopher Brady is upset about as nothing he wrote is in response to anything Estar asserted.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;959716You forgot rabid, recidivist, raging, romping, rowrbazzle.

Also, I wish there was a synonym for "flatulent" that began with R.

Roustabout, in the sense of being a natural gas worker.

Quote from: Baulderstone;959744Roustabout, in the sense of being a natural gas worker.

Clever one.

Quote from: Dumarest;959741It's unclear what Christopher Brady is upset about as nothing he wrote is in response to anything Estar asserted.

Don't worry, when it comes to anything even remotely on the topic of D&D before 2nd Edition, that's the pattern.  It's the Brady Curse, not his fault, really.

Quote from: estar;959626So it is any surprise that we have the situation we have today?

This is just fake news. There is no situation.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;959740That's what I've been saying, but every time, someone comes in and whines about how the modern D&D scene is terrible or some such bullshit.

Yes there are hobbyists that think that the modern D&D scene is terrible. But fuck em, doesn't impact your ability to publish, promote, or play the modern edition of your choice. And you have the benefit of being able to use the d20 SRD, Pathfinder PRD, 5e SRD, Fate, and several others directly if you want to put out material a modern D&D project. And they can't impede your ability to distribute your work through Onebookshelf, your website, Lulu, Createspace, etc.

So what exactly is the issue here?

Quote from: Christopher Brady;959740I run 5e for WoTC's Adventure League, and I've got a Scarlet Heroes game going with a friend.  They're both D&D and they both fill a different 'need'.  I'm not sure what you're implying.  There's enthusiasm about a game and then there's bashing people because they like something newer or older than you.

Quote from: Christopher BradyPersonally, I'd rather share ideas from every edition than segregate myself from others.

This and other statements in the same post paints everybody who publishes, promotes, or plays classic editions with the same color. You don't clarify and say "well it is those assholes at Ye Olde Gaming Salon forum" or give any type of specifics. While I don't know everybody in the OSR, I am well aware of the segments that are friendly and the segments that are "difficult" to work with.

My general point is that with the IP situation, the technology situation that even the group that embodies your worse gaming nightmare has ZERO power over you.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;959740You know, in the 90's we would have called those 'D&D heartbreakers'. right?

Absolutely, except an individual doesn't have to risk home and saving to put out their vision. And we are finding out that some "heartbreakers" are pretty decent. That some are uninteresting at first but the author works at it over the years and as a whole it turns out pretty good. And there are those that just plain crash and burn and never heard from again.

It a new age where a person can find it rewarding and profitable to release material for an audience in the low hundreds. The exact level of sales vs. effort depends on individual temperament. There are limitations of course, if you want to make it your livelihood then that requires planning, some capital investment, and some luck.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;959740And you know what makes OSR different?  Time and WoTC's 3e OGL.  Attitudes changed around that time, and people realized that they could reprint older editions their way.  And now we have a new subset of the edition wars!  Which never ended.

Hate to break it to you but the edition wars were always there. Except nobody had a legal recourse to do anything about it. And it cost an arm and leg. Now they have an alternative and the cost is reduced to where it about how much time you are willing to invest and how willing you are to learn the nuts and bolts.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;959740It's clear you think that the OSR is some godsend and second coming of D&D, but a fair amount of just aren't seeing the reason why people like you need to hold on to it and whine about how the big companies are ruining D&D or some such tripe.

Personally I am more of a GURPS fan myself. However thanks to the OSR I learned how to use classic D&D the way I like to run campaigns and find it a lot of fun. What the Second Coming for me is the use of open content to demolish WoTCs pretensions of what the fan ought to like. I am a big fan of the public domain, open source and open content.

Quote from: CRKrueger;959748Don't worry, when it comes to anything even remotely on the topic of D&D before 2nd Edition, that's the pattern.  It's the Brady Curse, not his fault, really.

Nicest way to call someone an asshole that I've ever seen, CRK. :-)