Quote from: Opaopajr;960846... everybody forgets the Spanish Inquisition?  :confused:  No, wait, that's 'suspects'!

No, it's NO ONE EXPECTS!

Quote from: Dumarest;960849No, it's NO ONE EXPECTS!

No, it's noBODY expects!  

Quote from: ndervish;960937no, it's nobody expects!  :d

dammit!:d

:cool: My work here is done. /transcends

Quote from: RPGPundit;960454I certainly agree with the OP that we are living in the golden age of D&D play. Moreso than the Gygax-TSR era ever was.

I'm with you in spirit here, though I would say instead that the OSR movement and its various spin-offs have restored the core value of the hobby. It is amazing to see the quality and diversity of material published in this genre over the last several years, and the best of it would have been award-winning at any time. On the other hand, the hobby as a whole was pretty boss ca. 1978-1980.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;960463Even if I find it stultifying and somewhat sad, that's just me.  What really gets me is the assumption that everyone else is 'doing it wrong'.  There's no right way, there is no wrong, there's YOUR way.  That's it.

It's cool to tell people their older game or the way they play is "stultifying" and "sad", but god forbid you even have an opinion on a newer game or playstyle, then you're telling everyone they're doing it "wrong" which somehow is completely different and over the line.

I need to buy stock futures in Irony Meters, I could retire on this thread alone.

Quote from: CRKrueger;960963It's cool to tell people their older game or the way they play is "stultifying" and "sad", but god forbid you even have an opinion on a newer game or playstyle, then you're telling everyone they're doing it "wrong" which somehow is completely different and over the line.

I need to buy stock futures in Irony Meters, I could retire on this thread alone.

He did say it was his opinion and taste not an objective truth which is something allot of people don't. I think that was his point.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;960463I would expand that to RPGs in general.  We have it GOOD right now.  If this ISN'T the Golden Age, we're damn close.



Not according to the proponents. There was only ONE way to play D&D, and it's their way.  In fact, every single Edition of D&D has had a bunch of people with their refusal to move forward, to even try the next edition.  Maybe they're afraid they might like it, or it would change how they see their old edition, or some such crap.  There's always an excuse not to look ahead, take as objective a view as possible and then decide.  Nope, gotta bash every other tribe out there.

Hell, Pathfinder is a prime example of that.  People who didn't want to let go of their edition, went on a whining rampage and thankfully to some serious mismanagement in the hands of WoTC got their edition remade into something that they can claim is still 'going'.  WHich brings up another thing, this belief that because your game is no longer in print, it's dead and must be revived.  The books don't disappear.  Unless of course, you have mice, which eat some of them to the point of permanent damage.

Now, here's the thing.  If you don't want to move on from whatever game edition, that's really none of my business.  Even if I find it stultifying and somewhat sad, that's just me.  What really gets me is the assumption that everyone else is 'doing it wrong'.  There's no right way, there is no wrong, there's YOUR way.  That's it.

Where are these demonic monkeys that torture you so?

I am seriously curious!

While I am limited in the number of sites I have been to, I have read a lot of OSR blogs and have been to a few OSR focused forums. And I have never seen the kind of behavior you are describing -- or rather I have seen a few people dramatic in their preferences, but nothing that could possible invoke the night terrors that haunt you.

Can you point me to any quotes, threads, posts? I am not saying what you say does not exist. But I really haven't seen it. All I see is you going on a constant -- and a mean constant -- tear and rage completely out of proportion to statements I have seen others make.

Dude, please, give me a clue. Point me to the source of your pain.

Quote from: Larsdangly;960961I'm with you in spirit here, though I would say instead that the OSR movement and its various spin-offs have restored the core value of the hobby. It is amazing to see the quality and diversity of material published in this genre over the last several years, and the best of it would have been award-winning at any time. On the other hand, the hobby as a whole was pretty boss ca. 1978-1980.

Oh I gots to hear what this core value is,  please do tell.

Quote from: CRKrueger;960963It's cool to tell people their older game or the way they play is "stultifying" and "sad", but god forbid you even have an opinion on a newer game or playstyle, then you're telling everyone they're doing it "wrong" which somehow is completely different and over the line.

Not according to the proponents. There was only ONE way to play D&D, and it's their way. In fact, every single Edition of D&D has had a bunch of people with their refusal to move forward, to even try the next edition. Maybe they're afraid they might like it, or it would change how they see their old edition, or some such crap. There's always an excuse not to look ahead, take as objective a view as possible and then decide. Nope, gotta bash every other tribe out there.

Quote from: ChristopherKubasik;960968Where are these demonic monkeys that torture you so?

I am seriously curious!

While I am limited in the number of sites I have been to, I have read a lot of OSR blogs and have been to a few OSR focused forums. And I have never seen the kind of behavior you are describing -- or rather I have seen a few people dramatic in their preferences, but nothing that could possible invoke the night terrors that haunt you.

Can you point me to any quotes, threads, posts? I am not saying what you say does not exist. But I really haven't seen it. All I see is you going on a constant -- and a mean constant -- tear and rage completely out of proportion to statements I have seen others make.

Dude, please, give me a clue. Point me to the source of your pain.

If you read enough of his posts, it goes back to when he was like a 10 year old kid and was forced to play a PC with all 8's or something.  He's referenced it multiple times.  Never got over it.

Quote from: Sommerjon;960976Not according to the proponents. There was only ONE way to play D&D, and it's their way.

Again I ask where are all these proponents? Where is all this bashing? Can you point me to it?

Quote from: Sommerjon;960976Not according to the proponents. There was only ONE way to play D&D, and it's their way. In fact, every single Edition of D&D has had a bunch of people with their refusal to move forward, to even try the next edition. Maybe they're afraid they might like it, or it would change how they see their old edition, or some such crap. There's always an excuse not to look ahead, take as objective a view as possible and then decide. Nope, gotta bash every other tribe out there.

I don't deny if you go to Knights and Knaves Alehouse or Dragonsfoot that you'll find some grumpy old bastages.  However, if I'm a Checkers fan, am I really going to find a warm welcome on a Chess forum?  Or if I go to that forum and talk about the complexity of Go am I going to get people who really grok what I'm saying?

If you to a topical forum, by definition, you're going to find people who like that topic and find other topics less interesting.  Storygames go over well on story-games.com, here not so much.  At what point does expressing an opinion about something you don't like become objectively declaring it inferior and denigrating those who like it?

The web is becoming more and more a binary medium where you either 100% support an idea or 100% oppose it.  There's no way to discuss likes and dislikes without throwing on a team jersey.

The crusty old fatbearded salty dog who's never tried another game in his life and never will is an internet stereotype.

Quote from: ChristopherKubasik;960968Where are these demonic monkeys that torture you so?

I am seriously curious!

While I am limited in the number of sites I have been to, I have read a lot of OSR blogs and have been to a few OSR focused forums. And I have never seen the kind of behavior you are describing -- or rather I have seen a few people dramatic in their preferences, but nothing that could possible invoke the night terrors that haunt you.

Can you point me to any quotes, threads, posts? I am not saying what you say does not exist. But I really haven't seen it. All I see is you going on a constant -- and a mean constant -- tear and rage completely out of proportion to statements I have seen others make.

Dude, please, give me a clue. Point me to the source of your pain.

Hold on a sec.

You've been here since Jan 2009?  You've never seen the editions wars?

Yeah, there is a ton of "irony" in this thread.

Quote from: ChristopherKubasik;960983Again I ask where are all these proponents? Where is all this bashing? Can you point me to it?

Hmmm, nope don't think I can.

I can usually point peeps in the right direction, but when I encounter a deliberately clueless person, it's easier to nod and carry on.

Quote from: CRKrueger;960986I don't deny if you go to Knights and Knaves Alehouse or Dragonsfoot that you'll find some grumpy old bastages.  However, if I'm a Checkers fan, am I really going to find a warm welcome on a Chess forum?  Or if I go to that forum and talk about the complexity of Go am I going to get people who really grok what I'm saying?

If you to a topical forum, by definition, you're going to find people who like that topic and find other topics less interesting.  Storygames go over well on story-games.com, here not so much.  At what point does expressing an opinion about something you don't like become objectively declaring it inferior and denigrating those who like it?

The web is becoming more and more a binary medium where you either 100% support an idea or 100% oppose it.  There's no way to discuss likes and dislikes without throwing on a team jersey.

The crusty old fatbearded salty dog who's never tried another game in his life and never will is an internet stereotype.

Coming from one of the top 3 you're playing wrong posters here, this is fucking hilarious.