Quote from: Spinachcat;960159Palladium Fantasy was among the first OSR games back in 1982!

Preach on brother!

Quote from: Spinachcat;960159Fabulous quote! Where's it from?

Romeo and Juliet. Romeo says it when Mercutio is mocking him for his last fleeting crush.

QuotePalladium Fantasy was among the first OSR games back in 1982!

As someone that loved that game in the mid-80s, I have been thinking the same thing for years! The rules may have been a little wonky, but that game oozed flavor. Book II: Old Ones might be one of the world's earliest LotFP negadungeons.

Quote2) Getting players for an OD&D game is stupid easy.

I've usually found it easy to get people to play whatever as long as the game is easy for the players to get started. It really doesn't get any easier than early D&D when it come to getting started as a player. The only times I have had players resist trying something is when I was already running another game and I wanted to push it aside and do something new, and honestly, I can't blame them for that.

I know from the Internet that there are vast numbers of people who play one variant of one system and refuse to do anything else, but I blessedly encounter them rarely in real life.

Quote from: Robyo;960185The OSR is the greatest thing ever for those who want new content, and don't care to go grovelling to WotC or Paizo. I like those companies' games too, but all the true innovation in D&D seems to be coming from the OSR. Maybe not so much innovative mechanics, so much as new settings, monsters, and adventures.

I was in a discussion recently where someone was wishing that WotC would start putting out new adventures for early editions again. That's fine if they want that, but I already can't keep up with the quality material that the OSR is already making for those systems. I don't know what WotC has to uniquely offer in that area. Apparently they can't even produce useful maps for their games.

Quote from: Spinachcat;960162May I introduce you to "football", also known as "soccer" to Americans?

The fans of opposing teams have been known to actually murder each other.

Not today's internet bitch "words equal harm", but old school real life stabby-stabby.

There is also a town called "Boston" where bars regularly erupt in brawls between fans of the same team.

RPGs fans are amateurs in the hate game. Call me when blood spills at GenCon.

I deserve that for using the term "only".  

I should have excluded anything from Oakland, Boston and Philly.

I certainly agree with the OP that we are living in the golden age of D&D play. Moreso than the Gygax-TSR era ever was.

Quote from: RPGPundit;960454I certainly agree with the OP that we are living in the golden age of D&D play. Moreso than the Gygax-TSR era ever was.

I would expand that to RPGs in general.  We have it GOOD right now.  If this ISN'T the Golden Age, we're damn close.

Quote from: fearsomepirate;960225It seems to me that one of the core features of the "Old School" is that every table was run its own way.

Not according to the proponents. There was only ONE way to play D&D, and it's their way.  In fact, every single Edition of D&D has had a bunch of people with their refusal to move forward, to even try the next edition.  Maybe they're afraid they might like it, or it would change how they see their old edition, or some such crap.  There's always an excuse not to look ahead, take as objective a view as possible and then decide.  Nope, gotta bash every other tribe out there.

Hell, Pathfinder is a prime example of that.  People who didn't want to let go of their edition, went on a whining rampage and thankfully to some serious mismanagement in the hands of WoTC got their edition remade into something that they can claim is still 'going'.  WHich brings up another thing, this belief that because your game is no longer in print, it's dead and must be revived.  The books don't disappear.  Unless of course, you have mice, which eat some of them to the point of permanent damage.

Now, here's the thing.  If you don't want to move on from whatever game edition, that's really none of my business.  Even if I find it stultifying and somewhat sad, that's just me.  What really gets me is the assumption that everyone else is 'doing it wrong'.  There's no right way, there is no wrong, there's YOUR way.  That's it.

Palladium Fantasy RPG...so good, especially the combat rules.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;960463I would expand that to RPGs in general.  We have it GOOD right now.  If this ISN'T the Golden Age, we're damn close.
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Now, here's the thing.  If you don't want to move on from whatever game edition, that's really none of my business.  Even if I find it stultifying and somewhat sad, that's just me.  What really gets me is the assumption that everyone else is 'doing it wrong'.  There's no right way, there is no wrong, there's YOUR way.  That's it.

Yup, there is more good stuff coming out now than at any other time. There are very few products from the earlier eras that can hang with the best stuff being produced today.

Doing it wrong, combined with group attacks. It can't be " I prefer X", it has to be "teh OSR hates Gygax!", personifying everything and everyone in to the enemy. It can't be that that one due, Bob, posted something about not liking Gygax. It's everyone.

I find the unwillingness to look at new things sad. You don't have to worship them, but to not have an open mind at all seems like a depressing life. You don't have to stop liking what you like to also look at what else is going on, especially in a scene as diverse and exciting as the OSR.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;960463Now, here's the thing.  If you don't want to move on from whatever game edition, that's really none of my business.  Even if I find it stultifying and somewhat sad, that's just me.  What really gets me is the assumption that everyone else is 'doing it wrong'.  There's no right way, there is no wrong, there's YOUR way.  That's it.

It happens, deal with it and stop being a hypocrite. Because just now you told everybody that they are doing it wrong. Just because you think you are taking a more broad and inclusive view doesn't make them wrong to focus on a particular edition and think the rest is shit. Especially considering this is a very optional leisure activity.

Quote from: bryce0lynch;960489Yup, there is more good stuff coming out now than at any other time. There are very few products from the earlier eras that can hang with the best stuff being produced today.

Doing it wrong, combined with group attacks. It can't be " I prefer X", it has to be "teh OSR hates Gygax!", personifying everything and everyone in to the enemy. It can't be that that one due, Bob, posted something about not liking Gygax. It's everyone.

I find the unwillingness to look at new things sad. You don't have to worship them, but to not have an open mind at all seems like a depressing life. You don't have to stop liking what you like to also look at what else is going on, especially in a scene as diverse and exciting as the OSR.

I used to try to buy every new RPG product, well, I never really did, but it seemed like it back in the late 70s and early 80s. The reality is I never had the time to look at everything.

These days, I get 2-3 hours of Google Hangouts gaming a week, and some number of hours of web surfing, and a budget that allows for an occasional purchase, and an occasional splurge.

So I've cut my core RPG interests down to Original D&D (the box of little brown books first published in 1974, mine is a Original Collectors Edition, 6th printing I think), Classic Traveller (mine is the box of little black books from 1977), RuneQuest (with a very strong preference for the original 1978 edition, but willing to use the 2nd edition, and have mined the Avalon Hill edition), and Burning Wheel Gold (guess what, there's a relatively new game there!). Now my shelves have a variety of other games, though other than the Gold edition of Burning Wheel, pretty much no RPG rules newer than 2007 (ok, Torchbearer is in there also...), with a small handful of inspiring other newer products (mostly OSR since they support my interests).

But I'm not going to rain on anyone else's parade. I think various new RPGs made changes in game play that lead a direction I'm no longer interested in (or never was interested in), but I don't have to attack those who are interested in them, in exchange, I'd appreciate folks not disparaging my interests (and calling it sad that I won't buy the latest craze game is disparaging my interests).

I'd also be perfectly comfortable if the commercial world for gaming products suddenly ended. As long as I could find fellow players, I'd be happy with what I've got now (and in fact, I've even actually packed a briefcase with a minimal set of gaming materials that I could easily live with, and it includes all four of the games in my core interest).

Frank

Quote from: ffilz;960499I'd also be perfectly comfortable if the commercial world for gaming products suddenly ended

This.

Joking aside, this is probably the biggest reason I don't consider myself part of the OSR; I have no desire to write and publish a game, no real desire to write and publish non rule game material, and certainly no desire to buy anything.  I have a game that works for me; I don't NEED to buy an OSR clone, or simulacrum, or new game.  I'm not on the market to buy, and I'm not in the market to sell.  I buy a few things from the smaller dealers at GaryCon just because I know how heartbreaking it is to trog all that shit around from convention to convention.

If I ever get my lazy ass in gear and finish that silly little portfolio of tall tales about D&D, fine.  But if I don't, that's fine too.

Quote from: estar;960492It happens, deal with it and stop being a hypocrite. Because just now you told everybody that they are doing it wrong.

Well, yes, but that's been Laughing Boy's modus operandi since day 1; come into an old school thread and shoot his mouth off, in the process demonstrate a huge lack of understanding, tell everybody that old rules are bad based on a bunch of stuff that exists only in his fevered little brain, and then complain people are being mean to him when everybody tells him he's full of shit.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;960511Joking aside, this is probably the biggest reason I don't consider myself part of the OSR; I have no desire to write and publish a game, no real desire to write and publish non rule game material, and certainly no desire to buy anything.  

True, but your bag of razor sharp one-line witticisms does a decent job of promoting OD&D and old school gaming. As far I am concerned people talking about classic editions is just more grist for the mill to keep them alive and thriving.

Fair enough.  If it helps, I"m glad; I certainly have no issue with anybody else doing those things.

As I said upthread, I'm happy that people are looking at older games in their own right.

Quote from: bryce0lynch;960040Well, you know, the OSR hates D&D.

That's fucking retarded. The OSR guys love D&D.
What they probably don't like is the way you think it should be played. So yes, they'd probably hate your game and think you're doing it wrong... if they were to ever learn about your game, and then if they were to spend any emotions on it. Most of them would probably fail even the first condition;).

QuoteI fucking HATE grognards. I can't fucking stand them and can't wait for them to all die off from their bitterness. On that day the sun will shine just a little brighter and the birds sing just a little more. I understand the irony in that statement.

New grognards appear every day. In all likelihood, you will die before you see the last grognard's death:).

Quote(and I'm using a very specific definition of 'grognard' which is very similar to the one I use for my elderly relatives. They smack of bitterness because no one will play their Weapon vs AC games with them anymore. They demean and disparage anything new because it didn't suck Gary's cock. Anything different is bad.)

I play Weapon vs AC games just fine, thank you.
I can't even pretend to care who sucked Gygax off and who didn't, though.

Quote from: Dumarest;960133He said "objectively broken." Can't wait to hear the rebuttals. Or at least a link to the definitions of objective and subjective.

Nah, not worth the time.
Why did AC start at 9? Probably because it gave you a certain to hit probability that was deemed desirable, duh:D!
And so on.

... everybody forgets the Spanish Inquisition?  :confused:  No, wait, that's 'suspects'!