Quote from: Gene Weigel;458916It works fine if you want to promote non-collaboration while they reap the benefits of any user's success story for doing essentially nothing.

DIY is what I'm saying. They did why can't you?  Its "Z&Z" a forthcoming ruleset that does everything that never reveals exactly what the similarities are... but you still can publish...

How do "they" reap the benefits if you don't use "their" brand? How does throwing the brand open promote non-collaboration?  At it's purest DIY is the opposite of collaborative, because you are, you know, doing it yourself.

Quote from: Aos;458923How do "they" reap the benefits if you don't use "their" brand? How does throwing the brand open promote non-collaboration?  At it's purest DIY is the opposite of collaborative, because you are, you know, doing it yourself.

Heh, my perspective is from a guy who makes cool fantasy stuff as an artist and designer and is slightly well known for such. Why would I add that to something that wants no input whatsoever when I can DIY?

Quote from: Gene Weigel;458928Heh, my perspective is from a guy who makes cool fantasy stuff as an artist and designer and is slightly well known for such. Why would I add that to something that wants no input whatsoever when I can DIY?

I have no idea. You are the one that complained that the retro-clones weren't collaborative, not I.  And now you are saying you don't want to collaborate. I can totally see where the lack of an opportunity to do something you don't want to do could piss you off.
Wait, no I cant.
Anyway, I had hoped to get some kind of feel for your viewpoint from this exchange. I have failed. I should have accepted that about five posts ago.

Quote from: Aos;458935I have no idea. You are the one that complained that the retro-clones weren't collaborative, not I.  And now you are saying you don't want to collaborate. I can totally see where the lack of an opportunity to do something you don't want to do could piss you off.
Wait, no I cant.
Anyway, I had hoped to get some kind of feel for your viewpoint from this exchange. I have failed. I should have accepted that about five posts ago.

A collaboration is more than one person working together not an opportunity to work by yourself for a logo.

Quote from: Aos;458935I have failed. I should have accepted that about five posts ago.

Thanks anyway for asking. You certainly spared others the effort, myself included.

Quote from: Caesar Slaad;458854What do I get out of them?

A lowered estimation of gamers.

Really? I find that hard to believe. There's plenty of other trainwrecks around on the fora, which precede edition wars by a long shot.

I came on to can the chatter and ended up having so much chatter that it turned into a funeral for the OSR.

(Throws dirt on the casket containing OSR developers)

If only things had gone... right!

(Murmur from grave<<Let us out, mate!!! Blimey! We're still alive>> )

SHADDAPPP!!!! You know...Sometimes, I wish that I could go back in time to 2001 and kick Rob Kuntz right in the testicles when he gave me the first prize in his design contest... Regrets... regrets...

(Murmuring continues from grave <<< Listen, glue-huffer! Your opinions and analogies mean nothing to us. This isn't even happening... see you at TEXCON II...!>>)

 I TOLD YOU TO ZIP IT!

(Casts weaponize the dead spell... )

Now! Go carry out my penultimate plan... to destroy GURPS once and for all....



Seriously, good luck.

I really don't get you, Gene. Sometimes it's like you're trying to say something but you don't and imagine people are reading your mind or something, and other times, it sounds like you're alluding to stuff nobody knows about. Like for instance you keep talking about how "that could have gone right in 2001" or whatever date you're thinking of and "it didn't", without explaining what you mean by "going right", and not explaining what has gone wrong in plain terms either.

Allusions within allusions. You make me feel like I'm listening to a guy who wants to say he is part of an occult fraternity who knows where the treasure of the Templars lies but doesn't want to put it in those words, for fear it won't sound esoteric enough for his audience. What gives? It's not that I believe you're an asshole or whatnot, but speak in plain English, for Christ's sakes.

It's in a safe deposit box in a bank in Schenectady.

Quote from: Benoist;458979I really don't get you, Gene. Sometimes it's like you're trying to say something but you don't and imagine people are reading your mind or something, and other times, it sounds like you're alluding to stuff nobody knows about. Allusions within allusions.

Benoist, I don't get you either. You seem like one of these "ANY FANTASY IS ALL GOOD" types but try to come off otherwise. PTOLUS on an old PHB? Huh?

As to fraternal orders of anything don't look towards me to find that...

I broke up THE NEW KALEM KLUB in 2005...

<<<winks at Len LaKofka...>>>

Seriously, these are the jokes, people...

and yes, there was a new "Kalem Klub".... no, there wasn't...

Quote from: Gene Weigel;459002Benoist, I don't get you either. You seem like one of these "ANY FANTASY IS ALL GOOD" types but try to come off otherwise. PTOLUS on an old PHB? Huh?

See, that I can completely understand, given that you have no knowledge of Ptolus, nor the way I modified the setting's premise to create my campaign. I can explain, if you want me to?

The thing is, you keep talking using sibylline verses and allusions like you really want to say something offensive but won't out of sheer politeness or something. I got nothing against you, nor your opinions, for that matter. But at the same time, you shouldn't be surprised if people get frustrated with you. Maybe you wouldn't have to ragequit the board in frustration if you spoke in plain terms using straightforward arguments leaving no room for doubts as to what you mean or talk about.

I'd also suggest using standard punctuation.

Quote from: Benoist;459003Maybe you wouldn't have to ragequit the board in frustration if you spoke in plain terms using straightforward arguments leaving no room for doubts as to what you mean or talk about.
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Thats it........RAGEQUIT!!!!

Seriously, is there a milder case of that? Where you really no longer have time to go over the same shit for the umpteenth time so you just answer direct prompts as best as you can until you jump the tracks?



Seriously, back in the days of the D&D chatroom in  the 90's I used to go on and on all night. These days I have to have the attention-span of a moth to keep up with real life.

Most of us don't have lots of spare time.
It's one of the dimensions of the way the hobby changes as we grow.

Who has time to listen to the half-written, half-thought ravings of someone who bothers mentioning some possible in-joke about a 'klub'?

Ben, Methinks Gene is alone in his basement trolling your earnestness onward due to lack af anything better to do.  Or that is how it reads.

Back to work.

Quote from: Gene Weigel;459013Thats it........RAGEQUIT!!!!

Seriously, is there a milder case of that? Where you really no longer have time to go over the same shit for the umpteenth time so you just answer direct prompts as best as you can until you jump the tracks?

Sure, I guess, but then, why answer at all? Why the cocktease M.O.? Not trying to be a douche here, I'm just trying to make you see how you come off to people reading you.

Quote from: Gene Weigel;459013Seriously, back in the days of the D&D chatroom in  the 90's I used to go on and on all night. These days I have to have the attention-span of a moth to keep up with real life.

So that clarifies the brevity of the posts and not rambling on and on about stuff you already talked about zillions of times on the net. I get that. But what about the clarity, now? Why make an allusion instead of point-blank one-liners everyone can understand? "This game is shit, and the author is an asshole who tries to appropriate the work of EGG by publishing it with the numbers filed off under his name." I understand that better than obscure references like you were engaging in a few posts ago (not that I would agree at all, mind you, but I understand better the words themselves).