Quote from: WarthurSatyrs were total psychos in Greek myth.

It's my perception at fault here, you say 'satyr' and I think of some rapacious faun - I see them as wild and willing to sin. You can only trust that they lust. I don't need the 'amok' bit. A satyr is interesting enough in itself.

It's not enough to be a catgirl, you have to be a ninja catgirl space pirate to make it sound cool.

Quote from: SeanIt's my perception at fault here, you say 'satyr' and I think of some rapacious faun - I see them as wild and willing to sin. You can only trust that they lust. I don't need the 'amok' bit. A satyr is interesting enough in itself.

It's not enough to be a catgirl, you have to be a ninja catgirl space pirate to make it sound cool.

I think the "amok satyr" bit is supposed to differentiate 4E satyrs from the "laid-back, peace-loving hippy satyr" of previous editions.

'Then there's the artefact in the Monster Manual; Satyrs (male only) are the counterpart of Dryads (female only) and Nymphs (female only), because when a male is randy he's dangerous and fierce like a barbarian, and when a female's randy she's manipulative and passive like an NPC.' - Tyhm on here

Yeah, we played them as lotus eaters but I thought they were always horny.

Anyhow, my thoughts on 4e D&D, well I love the spellplague, no I really do. But I've gone from cautiously optimistic to ambivalent in a couple of weeks.

Quote from: SeanSecondly, it makes more of the Monster Manual "usable" if you can fight things like dryad briar witches and amok satyrs, at least every now and then.

My first impression is that it was just a qualifier thrown in the sentence. As if he'd said "we fought big orcs". I'm not saying that's the case, but maybe they're just Satyrs?

Or maybe there are different kinds of satyrs and that's all they could think of?

Otherwise, it's really Amok Satyr for no reason other than to join other lame names and monsters like the jellies, slimes, jams and countless other retarded D&Dism.

Quote from: AosWho cries for the gnomes?
Who?

Add me to the list, anyway.  I love my gnomes.

I like gnomes.  I don't like D&D gnomes.

Gnomes live in the garden and are under a foot tall.

Quote from: StuartI like gnomes.  I don't like D&D gnomes.

Gnomes live in the garden and are under a foot tall.

Well, sure, if you're talking about Garden Gnomes...

My gnomes are about as tall as dwarves, but nowhere near as stocky, and are often master inventors, alchemists, and scholars.  They also frequently blow stuff up--only meaning to do so about half the time.

Quote from: Zachary The FirstMy gnomes are about as tall as dwarves, but nowhere near as stocky, and are often master inventors, alchemists, and scholars.  They also frequently blow stuff up--only meaning to do so about half the time.

That sounds about right.

Quote from: Zachary The FirstMy gnomes are about as tall as dwarves, but nowhere near as stocky, and are often master inventors, alchemists, and scholars.  They also frequently blow stuff up--only meaning to do so about half the time.

Out of curiosity, where did this take on gnomes come from? My recollection of gnomes from AD&D and pop culture were cheery little woodland creatures like the ones featured in the popular illustrated book 'Gnomes'.

Quote from: HaffrungOut of curiosity, where did this take on gnomes come from?

Dragonlance, along with the "Halflings are hyperactive child-like kleptomaniacs" instead of the LOTR "Hobbit" style Halflings.

For a brief history of Gnomes in D&D, I started this thread.

Quote from: HaffrungOut of curiosity, where did this take on gnomes come from? My recollection of gnomes from AD&D and pop culture were cheery little woodland creatures like the ones featured in the popular illustrated book 'Gnomes'.

Actually, it's been that way as long as I can remember in my gaming groups (and I don't think I'd have it any other way).  We weren't into Dragonlance, though it does sound pretty true to a lot of that take on them.  I'll have to go back and see how 1st Ed. Palladium Fantasy and Rolemaster 2nd handled them.

I see the other thread on gnome progression.  Very cool!

Just a few years ago, D&D turned thirty. If the upcoming game mechanics she promises are any indication, she is much wiser and more mature than she was in the days of her youth. And since those carefree high school years, much has changed in her life: she's moved out of her parents' house; she's raised enough children to populate a small industry; she's even landed a fancy corporate job.

But D&D still daydreams about her glory days as the shiny new game that took the world by storm. She was going to backpack across Europe, hang with all the rock stars, and write the next great American novel. Somehow, that perky young game turned into a soccer mom with a few gray hairs and a hint of wrinkles around the corners of her eyes. But she has decided that maybe, if she tries really hard, she can still hang on to her childhood dreams...

In short, D&D is having a midlife crisis. She's dropped her conservative print magazine and gone recklessly digital. She's traded her trusty half-orc minivan for that sporty dragonborn convertible she always wanted but could never quite afford. She's slicked back her hair, pasted on some tiefling horns, and silently shouted, "Look at me! I'm still hip! I'm still young!"

The soccer mom of the rpg world has become a desperate housewife: she's away partying so much, her old friends, Bard and Druid, hardly know her anymore; she's been spotted at the Faerunian pantheon's house, getting a bit too friendly with the local deities; and every time her kids have their young, virile WoW server friends over to visit, she goes out of her way to show off her most embarrassingly skimpy outfits. Hello, Mrs. Robinson. Are you trying to seduce me?

And unfortunately for her own self-esteem, D&D might end up being very popular with those virile youngsters for all the wrong reasons. Text removed to avoid offending grandma Yet, behind all her offers of a wild ride, there is something sad to be found in D&D's recent behavior: a desperate cry for help from a game that's afraid to grow old and afraid to grow up.- Epic Meepo, WOTC forum

Quote from: SeanJust a few years ago, D&D turned thirty. If the upcoming game mechanics she promises are any indication, she is much wiser and more mature than she was in the days of her youth. And since those carefree high school years, much has changed in her life: she's moved out of her parents' house; she's raised enough children to populate a small industry; she's even landed a fancy corporate job.

But D&D still daydreams about her glory days as the shiny new game that took the world by storm. She was going to backpack across Europe, hang with all the rock stars, and write the next great American novel. Somehow, that perky young game turned into a soccer mom with a few gray hairs and a hint of wrinkles around the corners of her eyes. But she has decided that maybe, if she tries really hard, she can still hang on to her childhood dreams...

In short, D&D is having a midlife crisis. She's dropped her conservative print magazine and gone recklessly digital. She's traded her trusty half-orc minivan for that sporty dragonborn convertible she always wanted but could never quite afford. She's slicked back her hair, pasted on some tiefling horns, and silently shouted, "Look at me! I'm still hip! I'm still young!"

The soccer mom of the rpg world has become a desperate housewife: she's away partying so much, her old friends, Bard and Druid, hardly know her anymore; she's been spotted at the Faerunian pantheon's house, getting a bit too friendly with the local deities; and every time her kids have their young, virile WoW server friends over to visit, she goes out of her way to show off her most embarrassingly skimpy outfits. Hello, Mrs. Robinson. Are you trying to seduce me?

And unfortunately for her own self-esteem, D&D might end up being very popular with those virile youngsters for all the wrong reasons. Text removed to avoid offending grandma Yet, behind all her offers of a wild ride, there is something sad to be found in D&D's recent behavior: a desperate cry for help from a game that's afraid to grow old and afraid to grow up.- Epic Meepo, WOTC forum

One of these days, I'll have to start a thread on how people are way over-scrutinizing the whole thing. I think the main problem with RPG fans is that there's been a lack of games making an impact on this hobby, which is a shame.

D&D is fine. We just need more games making at least a Vampire/WoD kind of impact so that some people will stop obsessing over all of this. We could use new popular titles and also successful experimentations more than what we are seeing now.

Instead, everyone keeps looking at D&D as some sort of paragon. I love D&D, but it's just a fucking game. It has no responsability to hold up to some beard-reeking grognard standards, nor to revolutionize roleplaying, nor save the indutsry.

I don't know what "Epic Meepo", whoever the fuck that is, expects from the game. But if he wants a revelation in gaming, he should be looking elsewhere, just like people expecting a revolution in boardgaming look elsewhere than at Risk, Monopoly or the usual suspects.

Quote from: Sean...Epic Meepo, WOTC forum

Jesus fucking hell.  As a probable early 4e adopter, I do take a lot of the online criticisms seriously and consider them.  But this?

Jesus fucking hell.