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What are your current feelings about D&D 4E?

Started by Warthur, October 25, 2007, 11:31:34 AM

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Warthur

October 25, 2007, 11:31:34 AM
Soon after 4E was announced, Jong started this poll to see how we were feeling about it. I was thinking it would be an interesting experiment to post a similar poll, now that the old one's closed, to see if people have changed their minds.

I have added a few more poll options to Jong's model to make it a bit clearer - ISTR in the old thread there were a few people saying "Well, I feel good/bad about it... but I'm not committed yet, so I put myself down as being ambivalent".
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Saskwach

#1
October 25, 2007, 11:43:37 AM
I don't have any particularly good reason to "have a bad feeling" but what vexes me is that they seem determined to support their view of the fluff and setting of dnd with the rules themselves. Case in point: the wizard's magic focus objects. What if I don't see wizards like that?
You'd be ight to say "then don't play it like that" but my point isn't so much the changes but the seeming attitude in 4th ed that "we're right and you'll see that we're right".
 

Christmas Ape

#2
October 25, 2007, 11:47:28 AM
Your second opinion is almost word for word the response that came to my head when I read the thread title, so...there ya go.

See, I was incredibly disheartened when 3.5 reduced the viability of Command to a list of 5 pre-selected, tactically balanced commands with tactically balanced responses. It ripped the spell's heart out, and I'm worried they'll keep that up.
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Warthur

#3
October 25, 2007, 11:54:19 AM
Quote from: SaskwachI don't have any particularly good reason to "have a bad feeling" but what vexes me is that they seem determined to support their view of the fluff and setting of dnd with the rules themselves. Case in point: the wizard's magic focus objects. What if I don't see wizards like that?
You'd be ight to say "then don't play it like that" but my point isn't so much the changes but the seeming attitude in 4th ed that "we're right and you'll see that we're right".
How is that significantly different from requiring wizards to obtain material components for some of their spells - or, heck, the whole Vancian spellcasting system? Magic systems inevitably involve game designers imposing a particular metaphysical vision on their games by their very nature - you'd never mistake RuneQuest magic or Ars Magica spellcasting for D&D magic, for example.

Really, what do you expect them to say? "We've made some alterations, but chances are some of you will think they're awful?"
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Saskwach

#4
October 25, 2007, 12:05:59 PM
Quote from: WarthurHow is that significantly different from requiring wizards to obtain material components for some of their spells - or, heck, the whole Vancian spellcasting system? Magic systems inevitably involve game designers imposing a particular metaphysical vision on their games by their very nature - you'd never mistake RuneQuest magic or Ars Magica spellcasting for D&D magic, for example.

Really, what do you expect them to say? "We've made some alterations, but chances are some of you will think they're awful?"

...
You make a good point.
I completely forgot about the early dnd magic system parallels because to be honest I've never used material components.
I take my specific example back and even tone down my opinion but I still think that attitude is around in the dev team to an uncertain extent. They're doing their best to dustbeat the old dnd carpet but also dyeing it into some odd colours for me.
All in all though, excited and worried at the same time.
 

RockViper

#5
October 25, 2007, 12:12:11 PM
I will not know if 4e sucks or not till I play it.
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Koltar

#6
October 25, 2007, 12:15:49 PM
I don't have an option on that poll.

 My reaction?

 I hope enough people like it so that my store and others like it stay in business.
 Where's that option?

 I think a lot of the arguments about it between now and next May might be entertaining.

Best comment I heard related to it is what Zachary the First said at GenCon.


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#7
October 25, 2007, 12:32:15 PM
I went with the second option, which is to say I really like what I've heard so far. Of course there's no way I can call it as a surefire hit or a dead loss until I've read and played it, but so far the omens are good.
 

Werekoala

#8
October 25, 2007, 01:11:59 PM
Couldn't care less right now. Got too much time/money invested in 3.0 to consider any kind of move until the game is actually out and there are thousands of reviews. Until then - meh.
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beeber

#9
October 25, 2007, 01:17:12 PM
i took "ambivalent" to equal the "meh" i feel too.  i'm playing other games, and too psyched for BRP and RTT to care about d&d.

Sean

#10
October 25, 2007, 01:35:12 PM
The second option. I'm cautiously optimistic. I've not played D&D since 1987 so I'm expecting a lot of it!

But if they want me to buy it, they'd have to do an easy basic version - 4x
- and just one setting book.

strikers, controllers, tieflings, warlocks as PCs, feats - so much to catch up with !

Warthur

#11
October 25, 2007, 02:03:23 PM
Quote from: KoltarI don't have an option on that poll.

 My reaction?

 I hope enough people like it so that my store and others like it stay in business.
 Where's that option?

If you couldn't care less either way as a player you'd probably want to put yourself down as ambivalent.

On the other hand, if as a gamestore manager you're thinking that they are going the wrong way about it (or, conversely, that they're going the right way about it) in order to win customers for you then you should probably put your opinions down accordingly.
I am no longer posting here or reading this forum because Pundit has regularly claimed credit for keeping this community active. I am sick of his bullshit for reasons I explain here and I don\'t want to contribute to anything he considers to be a personal success on his part.

I recommend The RPG Pub as a friendly place where RPGs can be discussed and where the guiding principles of moderation are "be kind to each other" and "no politics". It\'s pretty chill so far.

James J Skach

#12
October 25, 2007, 02:12:18 PM
I'm so willing to be won over it's silly.  But I've noted my hesitation in several threads here, so...yeah...there ya go.
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Caesar Slaad

#13
October 25, 2007, 02:14:50 PM
I hate the wording on your last choice, but I went with it anyways.

For me, it's more like...
4e could end up being pretty good, mechanically, but still don't think it will be good enough to encourage me to play it over 3.5. I'll play with my friends if need be, but for games I start, it will be 3.5.

(I used to add "I'll pick up the core books" before "I'll play with my friends", but the whole "parse 4e core books out over the years" nixed that plan.)
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#14
October 25, 2007, 02:55:20 PM
I like much of what I've seen, and I like most of SWSE (which should be a mechanical precursor of sorts).  They could screw it up, mind you...  But I'm optimistic.  The changes that rub me wrong are mostly fluff, as it stands.  I have yet to see anything mechanical that I think sounds awful.

My main concern is, "Even if I like it, when am I actually going to play it?"  I have an SWSE game that's going strong, after all, and Wilderlands & Arcana Evolved games on the back-burner.

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