What are the 4e fanboys saying now?

crkrueger · January 30, 2011, 08:30:39 PM

Quote from: Windjammer;436348Here ya go.

Looks like another Star Wars prequel.

FunTyrant · January 30, 2011, 09:37:51 PM

Quote from: Benoist;436294You don's seem to have noticed my question, FunTyrant, so I'll ask again: are you Professor Cirno?

I actually did miss it (sorry), but no, I am not Professor Cirno. Whoever he is.

Doom · January 30, 2011, 09:42:43 PM

Quote from: Windjammer;436348Here ya go.

Hehe, ah, fond memories. Insult Dueling ftw!

Benoist · January 30, 2011, 09:44:02 PM

Quote from: FunTyrant;436372I actually did miss it (sorry), but no, I am not Professor Cirno. Whoever he is.

OK, cool.

DeadUematsu · January 30, 2011, 10:05:23 PM

FYI, FT:

1) Professor Cirno is a poster on ENWorld who has a preference for 4E. He also tends to piss on the various failures of previous editions.

2) Benoist goes by the moniker Odhanan on ENWorld and is an Old School Gaming troll.

3) Doom gets all of his 4E arguments from the Gaming Den (so while they are good arguments, they aren't his and if you talked about something the Gaming Den hasn't covered, he would be lost for words).

Doom · January 30, 2011, 10:10:29 PM

Um, no, at least for parts 2 and 3. But thanks for your insights, Dead.

Hey, help me out here. Can you find a link on the Den detailing all the failures of minions, specifically how they don't work in combat like I've discussed? It won't prove you're right, of course, but I would like to see their arguments. Finding such a thread would at least show you're possibly not a lying sack of garbage, though, so I guess you could be motivated.

Or not. Whatever.

FunTyrant · January 30, 2011, 10:24:40 PM

Quote from: DeadUematsu;436376FYI, FT:

1) Professor Cirno is a poster on ENWorld who has a preference for 4E. He also tends to piss on the various failures of previous editions.

2) Benoist goes by the moniker Odhanan on ENWorld and is an Old School Gaming troll.

Funnily enough, I was just about to send Benoist a PM as to who Cirno was, since my curiosity was piqued.

Not that I minded the question; for some reason I tend to remind people of someone they know both on and offline.

Benoist · January 30, 2011, 10:27:14 PM

Quote from: FunTyrant;436380Funnily enough, I was just about to send Benoist a PM as to who Cirno was, since my curiosity was piqued.

Cirno is just a douchebag on ENWorld who has the user title of "Fun Tyrant." Hence my question.

As for being a troll myself, just look who's talking. :rolleyes:

Doom · January 30, 2011, 10:34:05 PM

Quote from: Benoist;436381Cirno is just a douchebag on ENWorld who has the user title of "Fun Tyrant." Hence my question.

As for being a troll myself, just look who's talking. :rolleyes:

Jeebus, what an odd, odd, coincidence.

ggroy · January 30, 2011, 10:44:33 PM

I am Cornholio

thedungeondelver · January 30, 2011, 10:58:51 PM

Don't worry about it, Ben. Dead uematsu calls anyone who likes pre-[insert new edition of D&D here] and says so a troll.

DeadUematsu · January 30, 2011, 11:01:03 PM

You know what?

I have said stupid things out of anger and frustration but I'm not so crazy as to bother deleting my whole posting history from a forum out of disgust like someone here...

And Ben, you're still a troll.

DeadUematsu · January 30, 2011, 11:02:12 PM

Quote from: thedungeondelver;436386Don't worry about it, Ben. Dead uematsu calls anyone who likes pre-[insert new edition of D&D here] and says so a troll.

Not really. I don't think I ever said anything bad about Jrients or Sett.

Also, I do like pre-4E D&D. I just think the game models a world radically different from what most people actually want.

thedungeondelver · January 30, 2011, 11:06:14 PM

Quote from: FunTyrant;436115...or you could just make them 1 hp minions, thus saving a ton of math and unnecessary difficulty.

No, thank you, you can keep 4e in it's own...place.

I rather like doing what I do when I run AD&D games.

thedungeondelver · January 30, 2011, 11:11:14 PM

Quote from: Benoist;436086The problem to me is that the status of the Sub-1HD creature is a bit too restrictive. It will encompass creatures like kobolds, but when the fighter starts to be like say... 3rd level, the kobold isn't a threat at all in any case (I'm speaking of ONE kobold now, not an entire tribe of them using bows and slings and stuff. I know). So in practice, at most AD&D tables I've played, the multiple attacks of the fighter are rarely useful, more like a funny detail (I remember a fighter at high level years and years ago in a demo game we played for the town that was killing hordes of kobolds with a scythe... yeah... it was really hilarious, really, but it wasn't really useful tactically, if you see what I mean).

My solution would be to give "Sub HD status" to other creatures that would then qualify for multiple attacks. So say to a 5th level fighters, stuff like orcs and gnolls might start to qualify. But it shouldn't be mathematically automatic either (at fighter HD-4 or whatnot, which I thought about, too), otherwise you'd just completely modify the feel of the game.

I myself don't know that I'd do that as a DM, but I'm not violently opposed to playing an AD&D game with those mechanics in place.