Quote from: RPGPundit;320509And NONE of those you mentioned are "break-through" games with vast appeal among new gamers. They are specialty games for geeks looking for that particular type of game.

To suggest that the average 12-year old (or parent shopping for a 12-year old) is going to go for this is just absurd.

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And yet people outlay shit tons to just start the tabletop game. The buy in price for Warhammer miniatures is staggering. Yet during the start of the current economic woes, GW were actually doing very well, even though it would be obvious logic to assume they would be among the first to fall to a recession. Not long after they put their prices up!

This game isn't that much more expensive than Dark Heresy, which costs £40 - I imagine this will be no more than £60. The WFB starter box is £40 and you don't get anywhere near as much as you WILL need to play the long term.

This price argument is bullshit.

I think it's good to see them trying something different. The only things that concern me are the buy in to add more players (which is phenomenally stupid), and the potential for getting this into GW stores, which seems the ultimate goal.

Dark Heresy was $50. WFRP3 is $100.
Twice the price, half the portability.

I'll admit I'm curious, but I can't justify the price. Waiting for rejected copies to hit ebay....

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;320857The only things that concern me are the buy in to add more players (which is phenomenally stupid), and the potential for getting this into GW stores, which seems the ultimate goal.

I though I saw some mention of an Adventurer's Box.  I suspect that will provide numerous character options and thus be the game expander.  It will be interesting to see how many boxes they eventually crank out for the game line.

I am surprised they limited the basic set to 3 players + GM.    I wonder if they have market data that backs up that choice.   4 + GM would have been the minimum in my mind.

Quote from: aramis;320859Dark Heresy was $50. WFRP3 is $100.
Twice the price, half the portability.

I'll admit I'm curious, but I can't justify the price. Waiting for rejected copies to hit ebay....

The Starcraft big (BIG box boardgame is £50 here. I doubt this game will be any different and won't have anywhere near the parts. Even the new Middle Earth big box game is only £60. The pricetag is expensive per se, but I don't see it being the reason this will fail when warhammer fans regularly outlay (fuck knows ow, looking at some of them) way way WAY more for the tabletop game.

There is no real way of knowing what the UK price will be at this point, prices are set per country depending upon the internal market.

Quote from: J Arcane;320851Let me take a wild stab in the dark and guess you're a 4e fan.

I'm sadly a little too familiar with that line at this point.  The irony of it is, it's generally being shouted by people every bit as irrelevant as they claim their opponents are.  Not to mention the usual "less geeky than thou" undertones, particularly popular on RPGnet.  

The general extremism of your posts are just as readily obvious.  You crow a lot about the dangers of hardcoreism, and it's a fair point, but you conveniently ignore the dangers of abandoning the core market entirely.  Not to mention the excluded middle approach of balancing the two to ensure everyone gets to have fun.  No, instead it's just typical technologism and faux populism aimed at a non-existent populace.  

You're boring.  If you don't have anything new to offer than last years 4e talking points and geek hate, save your fucking breath.  

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Nope sorry, not a huge 4e fan. Played it once, was like "meh"

IN FACT, 4e is one of the games I'm talking about when I say "Only a geek could love it" it's got all the stupid focus on all the crap that no-one cares about but us. Combing through lists of powers and "building" a character after spending $90 of huge fucking books and then wanking off about "tactics" is just NOT that fun for most people.

In fact I didn't even really like 3e.

I'm more an AD&D guy when I'm looking to play D&D.

Sorry I don't fit into you're little box.

EDIT: And to be clear I LIKE the games we have now (for the most part). I've just reconciled myself to the fact that a REALLY popular mainstream rpg will be sufficiently different from what I like that it's kinda silly to hope for.

Kinda like Pundit and Vampire. Fact is it was a great popular, intro rpg. But also changed the face of rpgs into something he didn't like. Sucks for him.

It'll look less like somehting we want and more like this:

Quote from: Piestrio;320744You wouldn't know it listening to this crowd.

Oh yes. I'm not saying that you forgot the D. I'm saying there really isn't a D (at least not a significant one), but we should get one.

Quote from: Spinachcat;320850What makes you believe this is true for 2010?

Indeed. I could point to a lot of fads that were popular in 1982. Are they all just waiting to be revived on a mass-market?

Or is it just that there are handful of geeks on the internet who hate the current RPG industry and dream of a return to a yesteryear?

Quote from: Piestrio;320875It'll look less like somehting we want and more like this:

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Isn't that that woefully incomplete game that promised catching 151 pokemon, but only contained 26? That one that didn't sell well enough to justify the next expansion, so was never finished?

Quote from: Piestrio;320875I've just reconciled myself to the fact that a REALLY popular mainstream rpg will be sufficiently different from what I like that it's kinda silly to hope for.

Exactly. Some folks around here need to grow up and recognize that:

A) 1982 is over and it's never coming back.

B) Their own tastes are no longer mainstream, and they probably never will be again.

I mean, fuck, isn't it sad that a bunch of 30 and 40 something guys dream of a game that millions of 13-year-olds will love, and that it will be something they will love too? I don't expect to like the same movies, games, music, etc. that adolescents do. It's frankly pathetic that some adults around here do.

Quote from: The Worid;320902Isn't that that woefully incomplete game that promised catching 151 pokemon, but only contained 26? That one that didn't sell well enough to justify the next expansion, so was never finished?

It's the game released at the end of of the pokemon fad and ran into licensing issues that prevented the other expansions.

IFAICT the license was the hold up, not poor sales.

Quote from: The Worid;320902Isn't that that woefully incomplete game that promised catching 151 pokemon, but only contained 26? That one that didn't sell well enough to justify the next expansion, so was never finished?

That's not the point. The point is that the next roleplaying game that succeeds in bringing in lots of new gamers, if there is ever one, is not likely to look like something a hardcore roleplayer would like.

Just look at how Pundit is losing his shit over a game that is obviously trying to open up roleplaying a little.

Quote from: Spinachcat;320860I am surprised they limited the basic set to 3 players + GM.  

That's not what the marketing blurb says.

This Core set is best suited for a group of four players – one Game Master and three Player Characters.

Maybe that means the core set is limited to four players, maybe it just means some players will have to share cards and dice if there are more than four players.

(Edit: This reads a bit more dickish than I wanted. I just mean that it isn't clear and we probably won't have a better idea until we have more information.)

Quote from: MarionPoliquin;320938Just look at how Pundit is losing his shit over a game that is obviously trying to open up roleplaying a little.

That's what makes him so adorable, in a ridiculous kind of way.

Quote from: MarionPoliquin;320938That's not the point. The point is that the next roleplaying game that succeeds in bringing in lots of new gamers, if there is ever one, is not likely to look like something a hardcore roleplayer would like.

Just look at how Pundit is losing his shit over a game that is obviously trying to open up roleplaying a little.

The Pundit is losing his shit over a game that is trying to remake WFRP into a boardgame, and that will FAIL to "open up" roleplaying AT ALL.

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