Quote from: Rincewind1;520274Supplement's author. He was not part of core rules squad for 1e nor 3e, nor 2e I believe. Admittedly, his adventures are great in 1e, and definitely one of strong points of it.

Graeme Davis is listed as one of the 5 authors of WFRP1e corebook, as well as The Enemy Within, Shadows over Bogenhafen, Death on the Reik and Power Behind the Throne.

Quote from: Skywalker;520284Graeme Davis is listed as one of the 5 authors of WFRP1e corebook, as well as The Enemy Within, Shadows over Bogenhafen, Death on the Reik and Power Behind the Throne.

Fair enough and my mistake. Although I think he was mostly the "Additional Notes" from time of Death on the Reik. Your point still being? I doubt he had a hand in 3e's mechanics.

Quote from: Rincewind1;520288Fair enough and my mistake. Although I think he was mostly the "Additional Notes" from time of Death on the Reik. Your point still being? I doubt he had a hand in 3e's mechanics.

My only point is that 1e and 3e share more than the name and the shitty binding.

Quote from: Skywalker;520291My only point is that 1e and 3e share more than the name and the shitty binding.

Sure. They share two names and shitty binding. Although I'd still dispute Davis' involvement with 3e and  therefore their "sharing" of him with 1e.

If Monte Cook would write (or if he did write) an adventure module for 4e, would that make him suddenly a co - author of it? No. And I'd say that most people'd associate him not with 4e, despite writing a module for it.

Interestingly, I see Graeme Davis also wrote the Edge of Night scenario for WFRP3e.

Quote from: Skywalker;520298Interestingly, I see Graeme Davis also wrote the Edge of Night scenario for WFRP3e.

Isn't Edge of Night a Lady Gaga song?

Quote from: misterguignol;520357Isn't Edge of Night a Lady Gaga song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43RePKdsfBE

Quote from: misterguignol;520357Isn't Edge of Night a Lady Gaga song?

No. Its a Hobbit song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY9dQ8hUi7U

Enemy Within is a Rush song FTW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I06T6M6R0Cc

Quote from: Skywalker;520361Enemy Within is a Rush song FTW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I06T6M6R0Cc

I heard it's also a name of some great RPG campaign for some obscure system that will get a remake for some shitty later edition of that game.

Quote from: Rincewind1;520362I heard it's also a name of some great RPG campaign for some obscure system that will get a remake for some shitty later edition of that game.

You couldn't resist, huh?

Quote from: Skywalker;520370You couldn't resist, huh?

Of course not! Admittedly, I am of course joking right now. I have no interest in 3e, but if you enjoy it - great. Just don't rave that older editions were "broken" or something (I know you, Skywalker, would never) or I'll cock - slap you . I'm probably one of worst Warhammer's grogs, because to me, even 2e doesn't cut the mustard the way 1e did.

My main qualm with this is that they use the EXACTLY same name, which, for me, is a bit of a stinker - the film industry is already a festering wound of remakes. Must the RPG industry consign it's fate the same way?


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Quote from: Rincewind1;520274Supplement's author. He was not part of core rules squad for 1e nor 3e, nor 2e I believe. Admittedly, his adventures are great in 1e, and definitely one of strong points of it.

Which is why I'd not call him a sell - out, it's a bit sad he just sat down and writes "Enemy Within 2", while FFG not even bothered to call it "EW 2" or "Enemy Within Once Again" Or "Return of Enemy Within" or "Enemy Within For The Shitty Edition".

No, it's exactly Enemy Within. Which means "Enemy Within: Be As Cool As Grognards, While Playing Our Mechanics".

Not that you couldn't convert EW to 3e mechanics anyway, but then again - if you have it, why bother buying 3e?

I was never involved in developing the rules for any of the three editions. For 1e, as you say, I focused on adventures and supplements.

For 2e, Green Ronin contracted me to write Ashes of Middenheim and the intro adventure in the core rulebook. Ashes was to a very tight brief, as I recall, since they already had the campaign planned out and just wanted someone to provide the actual words.

For 3e, the brief was a little looser. For Edge of Night, I was told the adventure had to involve Skaven and a masked ball in a noble house, and I filled in from there. So you can blame me for the Ubersreik source material, the political setup, and re-using the Three Feathers concept for the ball.

The new EW adventure is in four parts, and I was contracted to write chapters 2 and 4. Once again, I was handed a fairly comprehensive brief that included the overall plotline and the key NPCs, along with Dave Allen's outlines for chapters 1 and 3.

As for calling it The Enemy Within, that was of course FFG's decision. No doubt they wanted it to attract attention, and it has certainly succeeded in that. It does follow the themes of the original, but it's all-new material. Maybe The Enemy Within 2, or Returns, or whatever might have been a better title - that can be argued until Satan skates to work without ever reaching a conclusion.

And am I a sell-out? It's certainly true that I have written for all three editions. It's also true that I haven't written anything for 1e since 2e came out, nor for 2e since 3e came out. That's because I make my living writing for games, and tabletop rpgs will never make anyone rich so I can't afford to write unless I get paid. So, guilty on those counts, I guess. If anyone wanted to pay me 6 cents a word or more to write 1e material, I'd happily do that as well.

But - perhaps because I'm more interested in story than in mechanics - I've always liked to think that the adventures I write could be run using the rules from any edition, given a bit of work on the part of the GM.

I blogged about the old EW and the new one at http://graemedavis.wordpress.com/2012/03/01/the-enemy-within-again/ a few days ago. Be warned, I don't get into the edition wars, and I never will, but I do chart the history of the original campaign for anyone who might be interested.

I love your work, and hope you get a gig writing for a system that I actually like soon. Your one of the Godfathers of 1st/2nd ed WFRP, and that's my all time favourite rpg.

thanks for joining in, mr. davis.  i had no idea the original TEW campaign was never officially wrapped up.  And your mention that you've written TEW2 (well, your parts, anyway, lol) to be easily understandable and adaptable to 1/2e makes that product appealing to this wfrp grognard, thanks