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WFRP no more? [spoliers]

Started by elfandghost, March 21, 2015, 04:41:22 AM

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TristramEvans

#15
March 23, 2015, 08:46:32 PM
Quote from: Arkansan;821521I wish more people in my area were open to playing the game with non GW models, there are some nice ones out there for a good price.

As GW no longer funds tournaments, I tend to take obections to none GW models none too seriously. As long as they look like what they're supposed to look like ("counts as" rather than "proxies") there isnt really an excuse for anyone to object.

Simlasa

#16
March 23, 2015, 09:06:00 PM Last Edit: March 23, 2015, 09:14:56 PM by Simlasa
Quote from: TristramEvans;821611As GW no longer funds tournaments, I tend to take obections to none GW models none too seriously. As long as they look like what they're supposed to look like ("counts as" rather than "proxies") there isnt really an excuse for anyone to object.
From what I've been told, some game stores, particularly the ones that are heavily bought into GW products, make a point of insisting on it. I don't know that they inspect each and every figure... but if someone showed up with, say, a Mantic dwarf or undead army they might run into issues.
While I don't give a crap myself, and don't play in stores, I can understand that someone who is really into the GW style of figures and setting might not want to engage with what he sees as substandard or 'wrong' figures... much as I don't want to play against unpainted/unassembled figures.

The local store runs Pathfinder and D&D 5e games but I've heard not tales of them policing the make of whatever figures get used in those.

TristramEvans

#17
March 23, 2015, 09:31:09 PM
Quote from: Simlasa;821615From what I've been told, some game stores, particularly the ones that are heavily bought into GW products, make a point of insisting on it. I don't know that they inspect each and every figure... but if someone showed up with, say, a Mantic dwarf or undead army they might run into issues.
While I don't give a crap myself, and don't play in stores, I can understand that someone who is really into the GW style of figures and setting might not want to engage with what he sees as substandard or 'wrong' figures... much as I don't want to play against unpainted/unassembled figures.

How weird, especially with GW making so many business decisions to make it as hard as possible for independent game stores to even carry their products. Of the game stores in Vancouver, only 2 still even stock GW, and one is talking about how they'll probably have to stop come 9th edition.

I've never encountered a game store insisting on GW figures (besides GW stores themselves) since GW stopped funding the tournaments. That seems entirely counterproductive and pointless.

Simlasa

#18
March 24, 2015, 12:09:41 AM
Quote from: TristramEvans;821620I've never encountered a game store insisting on GW figures (besides GW stores themselves) since GW stopped funding the tournaments. That seems entirely counterproductive and pointless.
I think the argument was that they want their gaming tables to showcase products they have on their shelves... vs. games and figures they don't carry.
Like I said, I don't play in stores... except for the occasional demo... this is based on hearsay and what I've read on TMP (when I was still willing visit that place).

Momotaro

#19
March 24, 2015, 01:14:55 PM Last Edit: March 24, 2015, 01:55:17 PM by Momotaro
Quote from: TristramEvans;821610The best rumourmonger they have, "Harry", is slightly less reliable than a weatherman.

Well we'll all just have to wait and see, won't we? ;)

The options are - more of the same, the end of Warhammer Fantasy entirely or something new plus or minus some old stuff.  Of these options, I'd say more of the same is the least likely given that they've just trashed the entire setting...

I reckon more huge models, unique figures and over-the-top multi-role stuff like the new rat-ogre gatling-gun things are a sign of the way forward, but that's really just what they've been doing for a while now.  A skirmish game that scales up to bigger armies is sensible and has been missing from GW's lineup, and I couldn't care about round vs square bases.

The big change is ditching older armies and models - frankly who knows?

Momotaro

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March 24, 2015, 01:19:55 PM Last Edit: March 24, 2015, 01:42:22 PM by Momotaro
Quote from: TristramEvans;821611As GW no longer funds tournaments, I tend to take obections to none GW models none too seriously. As long as they look like what they're supposed to look like ("counts as" rather than "proxies") there isnt really an excuse for anyone to object.

I've met people who refuse to play against unpainted forces, and people who are "GW-only" and would prefer to test a new unit with blank bases before they buy rather than proxy.  I'm sure they're having exactly the kind of fun they want.

Momotaro

#21
March 24, 2015, 01:21:59 PM
Back on roleplaying track - any gaming world crashes and reboots that actually worked well?  I know nothing about the WoD ones, and most Traveller reboots just ignored the TNE/Virus universe completely.

crkrueger

#22
March 24, 2015, 01:28:51 PM
So faced with the competition who puts out comparable if superior product at lower prices the response is to double down on the "exploit the extreme fans" and "setting development via legal team" policies that allowed the competition to thrive in the first place.

They almost seem like a bar with mob investors at this point...ride the fucker into the ground for every last penny, then sell off what's left.
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TristramEvans

#23
March 24, 2015, 02:01:27 PM
Quote from: Momotaro;821749Well we'll all just have to wait and see, won't we? ;)

Only sensible course regarding GW. I'm pretty much commited to Oldhammer now, though, as I don't like the directions GW has been going as a business, nor the general aesthetic of the new models for a while now. Plus 3rd edition in general is a game that already does skirmish scaled up to large armies, offers way more customization and tactical options, and allows one to create their own characters, not to mention being compatible with WFRP.

PencilBoy99

#24
March 24, 2015, 03:24:55 PM
Have you guys seen Zwiehander. It's a pretty good retroclone (in progress) of WFRP.

Momotaro

#25
March 24, 2015, 04:07:41 PM Last Edit: March 24, 2015, 04:45:00 PM by Momotaro
Quote from: TristramEvans;821762Only sensible course regarding GW. I'm pretty much commited to Oldhammer now, though, as I don't like the directions GW has been going as a business, nor the general aesthetic of the new models for a while now. Plus 3rd edition in general is a game that already does skirmish scaled up to large armies, offers way more customization and tactical options, and allows one to create their own characters, not to mention being compatible with WFRP.

I picked 3rd up again last year after not owning a copy since about 1995, and there's a freedom about the game that is so refreshing.  It feels like a world to explore rather than the more rigid game it has become.  And some classic models too.

Some of the new GW models are lovely - the Skaven clanrats from Island of Blood are great (and I use LotR Goblin Town goblins as slaves).  But so much frustration with them as a company...

As for the rumour mill, well believe it or not, Adeptus Mechanicus are up next for 40k.  As in next week, with leaked pics on Warseer.  Sometimes the wishlisting does come true!

Warboss Squee

#26
March 24, 2015, 06:15:56 PM
I've always been amused at GW's approach to updating armies, considering their insane price scaling.  Armies that don't sell don't get updated, but if the updated them, like Sisters need to be, and don't gouge their customers they would have better sales.

Crabbyapples

#27
March 24, 2015, 11:59:18 PM
You know, the existence of End Times explains the sudden silence and dropping of WHRP 3rd edition. Games Workshop probably forced Fantasy Flight to put the line on hold until the new setting is firmly established.

TheHistorian

#28
March 25, 2015, 01:53:47 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;821460Not a big deal to me, since my WFRP universe came to an end when 2e ended.

WFRP3 wasn't an RPG; it was some Chaos mutant hybrid thing.  Cards and weird(er) dice and fiddly bits?  How about imagination?  Whatever happened to that?


As for WFB... I've always chuckled at the idea of spending hundreds (more?) of dollars on a game that could be played with the rule book and buttons or bottle caps.

TristramEvans

#29
March 25, 2015, 02:15:30 AM
:rolleyes: Yes, WFRP 3e was an rpg. The cards just took the place of a rulebook. The amount of people who have opinions on the game who've obviously never played it continues to bemuse me. WFRP 3rd was more old school rpg than any edition of D&D it was contemporary with. And this is coming from someone who ultimately didnt like the system for Warhammer.
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