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WFRP no more? [spoliers]

Started by elfandghost, March 21, 2015, 04:41:22 AM

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elfandghost

March 21, 2015, 04:41:22 AM
The End Times have arrived. Of course WFRP isn't in print at all anymore and strickly speaking this realtes to Warhmmer Fantasy Battle, although the Warhammer Fantasy universe in general as it is also in the novels.

Spoiler
Last week the Warhammer Fantasy Universe came to an end, and I mean an end. The whole world gone, sucked into Chaos or otherwise obliterated.

Survivors are countable on one hand, although even then survival isn't assured. The event, "The End Times" does however end with the possibility of rebirth as one lone figure is left (possibly Sigmar) who may then create a whole new world.

Other survivors may include Lizardmen who may have escaped into space; some Skaven who may have sifted Skavenblight, three elves (although others may have found their way to an Haven) and possibly Felix. Undead, Orcs and just about anything else look gone forever.

Whether we will see another WFRP from this possible future world (if that happens) it will be a very different WFRP, certainly with a differnt landscape, possible new races and a long way from WFRP 1st Edition.

Overall I'm not too bothered, Warhammer had moved so far from the 1st Edition and its weirdness that a new world may be a good thing...?
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TristramEvans

#1
March 21, 2015, 06:21:14 AM
WFRP was over quite a bit before this, but this is not the end of WFB, merely the set up for 9th edition this summer. Like Crisis on Infinite Earths, et al. , its a wiping clean of the continuity to this point and 9th will start from the ground up with the fantasy world. How much changes and how much remains the same remains to be seen. As such, we'll probably eventually see another version of WFRP. Sadly, it wont likely be anything like the original, which ended with 2nd edition. WFRP 3rd was entirely its own beast, and 4th will be something totally different as well.

I still have and play my 1st edition books, which is all I'll personally ever need.

Warboss Squee

#2
March 21, 2015, 06:42:18 AM
I expect over the top levels of grimdark and stupidity.

Have to bring it in line with 40k, after all.

TristramEvans

#3
March 21, 2015, 07:07:09 AM
Frankly End Times is some of the best written gaming fiction I've ever encountered. Its been a damn good yarn. Grimdark? Sure. The amount of high profile character death has been enough to make George Martin blush. Stupid? Not IMO. Its a pretty cleverly constructed storyline, and certainly beats the utter cop-out that was Storm of Chaos.

As for 40k, I havent had much to do with it since the Rogue Trader era.

RPGPundit

#4
March 23, 2015, 02:28:05 AM
Not a big deal to me, since my WFRP universe came to an end when 2e ended.
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TristramEvans

#5
March 23, 2015, 02:42:54 AM
1st edition still hasnt ended for me.


Love me some Oldhammer.

dbm

#6
March 23, 2015, 06:32:08 AM
A friend of mine is much more into Warhammer than I am (though he plays Warmaster, not WHFB) and the concensus in the community seems to be that this is an excuse for changing WHFB from being a game about units to being a 'pure' skirmish game. Everyone knows 40k is more popular than WHFB and GW believe that a key reason for this is that people don't want to buy and paint 200-300 models with a high level of similarity to play a game. 40k has a lower prep-threshold as you use less models.

So the End of Times is a justification for ending up with a game where small war bands fight, rather than bigger and more organised armies.

In any case, I have enough Warhammer Fantasy material to play in which ever 'age' of the world I want; I don't feel constrained to playing in the latest incarnation. If it bring something worthwhile to the party then that is a whole different ball game, naturally.

TristramEvans

#7
March 23, 2015, 06:50:21 AM Last Edit: March 23, 2015, 06:52:50 AM by TristramEvans
Quote from: dbm;821480A friend of mine is much more into Warhammer than I am (though he plays Warmaster, not WHFB) and the concensus in the community seems to be that this is an excuse for changing WHFB from being a game about units to being a 'pure' skirmish game. Everyone knows 40k is more popular than WHFB and GW believe that a key reason for this is that people don't want to buy and paint 200-300 models with a high level of similarity to play a game. 40k has a lower prep-threshold as you use less models.

So the End of Times is a justification for ending up with a game where small war bands fight, rather than bigger and more organised armies.


Thats all just rumours. No one knows what 9th edition will be like yet. And Warhammer rumours online have a really bad tract record, especially those floating around prior to about a month or 2 before release.

I regularly read Faeir, Bell of Lost Souls, and DakkaDakka, and the accuracy of rumours is something like 20%. The skirmish thing came from the same guy who said a few months back that End Times is 9th edition's setting, in perpetuity.

Simlasa

#8
March 23, 2015, 07:25:07 AM Last Edit: March 23, 2015, 07:31:53 AM by Simlasa
Quote from: dbm;821480Everyone knows 40k is more popular than WHFB and GW believe that a key reason for this is that people don't want to buy and paint 200-300 models with a high level of similarity to play a game. 40k has a lower prep-threshold as you use less models.
I think their having a harder time selling the 'hobby' aspects of the games. I see a lot of games, including skirmish games like 40k and Warmachine, using unpainted or even unassembled figures and minimal terrain.
The folks who do really enjoy the modelling/painting aspects don't necessarily play the games or build game-viable forces.

I prefer the setting from WFRP 1e and WFB 1st/2nd/3rd... and I was late to dinner on those... so I ever was the intended audience.

Arkansan

#9
March 23, 2015, 12:12:19 PM
Quote from: dbm;821480A friend of mine is much more into Warhammer than I am (though he plays Warmaster, not WHFB) and the concensus in the community seems to be that this is an excuse for changing WHFB from being a game about units to being a 'pure' skirmish game. Everyone knows 40k is more popular than WHFB and GW believe that a key reason for this is that people don't want to buy and paint 200-300 models with a high level of similarity to play a game. 40k has a lower prep-threshold as you use less models.

So the End of Times is a justification for ending up with a game where small war bands fight, rather than bigger and more organised armies.

In any case, I have enough Warhammer Fantasy material to play in which ever 'age' of the world I want; I don't feel constrained to playing in the latest incarnation. If it bring something worthwhile to the party then that is a whole different ball game, naturally.

I would love for that to be true. The amount of models needed combined have always been what barred me from getting into WHFB, I like it much more than 40k but I just can't afford it.

I wish more people in my area were open to playing the game with non GW models, there are some nice ones out there for a good price.

ostap bender

#10
March 23, 2015, 04:55:39 PM
i am running enemy whitin so it is alive and kicking for me. no one came to my home to take away my 1st edition wfrp core.

Rincewind1

#11
March 23, 2015, 05:01:51 PM
Quote from: ostap bender;821565i am running enemy whitin so it is alive and kicking for me. no one came to my home to take away my 1st edition wfrp core.

When they come to your home
To take away that book you love,
Warhammer RPG...
Furthermore, I consider that  This is Why We Don\'t Like You thread should be closed

Momotaro

#12
March 23, 2015, 05:10:09 PM
Quote from: TristramEvans;821484Thats all just rumours. No one knows what 9th edition will be like yet. And Warhammer rumours online have a really bad tract record, especially those floating around prior to about a month or 2 before release.

The guys behind these rumours have a consistently good record of hits.

It's no secret that Fantasy Battle has been struggling for a while (read - making more money than most minis companies can dream of, but GW's store-driven approach means every item has to pull its weight) and GW is losing sales and market share while its competitors are booming.

I'd say the rumours accurately reflect a lot of things that WFB 9th needs to be once you factor in GW's paranoia about IP ownership and unwillingness to compete directly.  The alternative is the company rethinking its entire business model, and that's just not happening.

Could be good, could be bad.  Will almost certainly be expensive ;)

Ad for the RPG... we'll always have our books, all we need is a handful of like-minded souls to revisit the Old World again and again.

Simlasa

#13
March 23, 2015, 07:43:56 PM
Quote from: Arkansan;821521I wish more people in my area were open to playing the game with non GW models, there are some nice ones out there for a good price.
I've slowly been building a Bretonnian army using historical figures from other companies. The same strategy would work with any of the other human forces... and most of the undead/chaos warrior/dwarf/elf forces. No one I play with gives a crap who made the figure, as long as it's painted and I make it clear what it's proxy for.
From what I've heard that's part of what GW is working to negate... that too many of their fantasy forces are easily proxied from historical or other trad-fantasy figure lines. The expectation is that whatever is coming will be much more 'unique'. There's no IP protection with a medieval archer figure the way there is with a Space Marine.

TristramEvans

#14
March 23, 2015, 08:44:31 PM
Quote from: Momotaro;821570The guys behind these rumours have a consistently good record of hits.

The best rumourmonger they have, "Harry", is slightly less reliable than a weatherman.
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