"CoC in Fantasy Europe" is the probably the best way to describe WFRP to other RPGers. The setting is full of mystery and intrigue, there are mind-shattering forces aligned against the world, the combat is bloody and dangerous and your PC will die if you play dumb...and sometimes your PC will die even when you play smart.

Doomstones is geat stuff. It is more D&D than TEW, but so what? If you try to bash everything in Doomstones, you're going through PCs like candy corn.

The CoC game (as opposed to HPL fiction) is also about kicking ass. The whole point of the investigation part of the story is so you can figure out how to do the ass kicking. Do you sometimes run away? Sure you do. And in WFRP sometimes Chaos wins.

Quote from: Melan;454459including "transvestite" as an entry.

There is a nod to that in the first Ulrika spin off. Ulrika has to pretend to be a transvestite bodyguard to Countess Gabriella's bawdy whore.

Anyone who goes OTT with the Grimdark should read the fucking novels sometime!

Quote from: kryyst;454435Far to obvious, I think most people missed that or some how mistook it as just some crazy artists interpretation.

I've heard a lot of the WFRP-Swine argue exactly that, trying to claim that somehow the iconic cover is not meant to be in any way an accurate reflection of the game.

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It's obvious the cover artist was just being ironic. You've probably never heard of him.  <-- sarcasm, for the impaired.

I've still yet to meet any of these people being described... the non-violent WFRP fans.
Like Spinachcat I do see the resemblance to CoC... in that charging into a situation blindly gets you snuffed. But in no way does that suggest that you're meant to stay at home studying Bretonnian heraldry... or knitting weird mittens for that brat Mrs. Svankmajer squatted out last month in the root cellar.

It's called WARHAMMER.

Quote from: Cole;454404Or that all three editions prominently feature a punk rock berserker dwarf on the front?

The cover of the 1st edition is one of my favorite covers ever.

Quote from: Simlasa;454575I've still yet to meet any of these people being described... the non-violent WFRP fans.

I am borderline a non-violent WFRP fan, as I tend to at most run a combat once every 3 sessions. But then I do the exact same for D&D and pretty much every other role-play game in existence.

They never did equal the awesomeness of that 1e cover.

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Quote from: Simlasa;454370I thought Doomstones was one of the ones originally written for AD&D but then converted to WFRP by Flame.
Not that that bothers me, but I thought that was where it's D&D rep got started.

That's only partly true. The original adventures were boxed sets (and one folder) full of dungeon floor plans (so yes, very dungeon-y), but the general vibe of the implied setting was a lot more RuneQuest-ish.
The boxes were dual-statted for RuneQuest and AD&D.

The Complete Dungeon Master Series

• Set 1: Halls of the Dwarven Kings
• Set 2: Lost Shrine of Kasar-Khan
• Set 3: The Feathered Priests
• Set 4: Watcher of the Sacred Flame
• (Set 5: Shallow Water, Hollow Graves)

... or something; the last one was never released. Hogshead had Robin D. Laws write a new final part that turned out very different in spirit to the rest of the series.

I have no doubt that those modules were played mostly using AD&D. My favourite one of them (Set 3, the one with the mountain monastery) I GMed using as diverse systems as Midgard (the German RPG that is closest to AD&D in tone and complexity), Advanced Fighting Fantasy, and my homebrew, the nameless Astrópía system.

Sample maps from the original I posted in this forum here, and here you can see it in action.

Quote from: Spinachcat;454465"CoC in Fantasy Europe" is the probably the best way to describe WFRP to other RPGers.

And it was, according to a "making of" interview/article that ran in Warpstone magazine, the basic idea behind the game as GW envisioned it.

When was that article written?  Because what the creators say isn't necessarily going to be accurate depending on when they said it.  In retrospect, George Lucas likes to pretend like he had it all planned to work out that way from the start too.

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