Quote from: Rhedyn;1055963Sadly, modern left American politics do take the stance, "people who support Trump are deplorable" rather than "supporting Trump is deplorable".

I've only seen Pundit hate on censors and mob justice groups. Those people have political views, but I only see him hate people for actions not beliefs.

Pundit isn't "right leaning" as far as I can tell. But "right leaning" people tend to attack ideas more than people, but I've definitely met people who don't follow that. For example, the most out-there theories of Democrat politicians just being evil, still do not attack "their brainwashed supporters" as being evil.

I'd like to offer a reverse example, but nothing springs to mind of anything sufficiently crazy on the left where they do not attack people and attack the ideas instead.

You may be looking at a subset of sources? In my both my mainstream media and social media universes there's a pretty strong distinction between the ideas and the people of the right, and an ongoing controversy between people who say "we need to argue with the ideas without attacking the people" and those who say "the ideas (or leaders) are so evidently corrupt that any person who still uncritically holds them must be worthy of attack". It could be the latter which are most widely broadcast - but by all means there has never been uniformity behind the "Punch a Nazi" messages.

Was not the original quote that half of Trump's supporters are ... deplorables?

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1056046Democrats are right-leaning.

As for not hating lefties: "better dead than red".

Anyway, surely the only version of Waterdeep to bother with is this one.

I would say that there is a pretty big difference between "better dead than red" vs "all commies should die".

As hate-filled as they are, I don't think SJWs have gone so far as "all non-woke must die" either.

The question was whether there are people on the right are ALSO guilty of hating people for their political beliefs.

 I have ecountered people on the right who hate me because of what I believe. That's something I know, because they said to my face.

To what extent that anecdotal evidence indicates the nature of the right-wing demographic as a whole, I have no idea.

But let's not do the "we are the rational dispassionate ones" thing, please.

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1056079As hate-filled as they are, I don't think SJWs have gone so far as "all non-woke must die" either.

The question was whether there are people on the right are ALSO guilty of hating people for their political beliefs.

 I have ecountered people on the right who hate me because of what I believe. That's something I know, because they said to my face.

To what extent that anecdotal evidence indicates the nature of the right-wing demographic as a whole, I have no idea.

But let's not do the "we are the rational dispassionate ones" thing, please.

No my argument was that there aren't crazies on the left who don't attack people rather than ideas.

Of course there are are extremist right-leaners, I've met some myself. It's that lack of extremist left-leaners that know they shouldn't attack people is the problem.

I do not think that even Alex Jones or Rush Limbaugh call democratic voters evil (and Alex really only attacks people he pretends are active participants in vast conspiracies), but Democrat party leaders will call half of the other sides voters deplorable.

Part of that side's message (which includes all SJWs) is that "anyone who doesn't share my political beliefs is a bad person". I do not know WHY it's so ubiquitous on the Left. But that is my observation.

Alex Jones is a hoot but Limbaugh is a hate-monger and if the SJWs only knew it, they have come to resemble his style of hate fest.

Don't bother with apologetics for Rush. He is just like an SJW, but only from the other side.

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1056081Don't bother with apologetics for Rush. He is just like an SJW, but only from the other side.

I would appreciate a quote backing up that he attacks people for holding a political belief.

It's not like I'm going to actually bother defending someone I personally label an extremist crazy. That wasn't even my argument anyways.

What is your point, Rhedyn?

That somehow people on the left hate people on the right, while people on the right just hate left ideas and not the folks themselves?

Cos that is horeshit, and you know it!

So take that "we don't hate the sinner, we hate the sin" semantical garbage and save it for a Youtube channel with frogs faces all over it.

I'm sick of this "holier than thou" crap almost as much as I'm sick of the SJW's holier than thou crap.

Quote from: Opaopajr;1055819But what if I prefer Portland, Oregon? :confused:

Then it's a lot poorer and a lot whiter.

BTW, you guys are drifting from the topic of RPG settings reflecting/being infected by real world politics and discussing real world politics directly.

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1056086What is your point, Rhedyn?

That somehow people on the left hate people on the right, while people on the right just hate left ideas and not the folks themselves?

Cos that is horeshit, and you know it!

So take that "we don't hate the sinner, we hate the sin" semantical garbage and save it for a Youtube channel with frogs faces all over it.

I'm sick of this "holier than thou" crap almost as much as I'm sick of the SJW's holier than thou crap.

You got to my point. You also conflate hating the idea with hating the person. Which explains your earlier visceral reaction to the suggestion of "do not buy things from people who hate you".

My point is that it's different. People's opinion can be understood as just an opinion. You may hate that opinion but it does not mean you hate someone for having it.

"we don't hate the sinner, we hate the sin" - is normally used in the context of "actions" not "thoughts" (please do not quote the one text about Jesus telling people to stab out their eyes, my study bible is not near me). And I would agree is pretty pretentious.

Hating people for their political opinions is essentially "thought policing" and I would agree that you shouldn't financially support people like that.

My tangent on "the Left" is the seeming effort from one side in particular that hating people for their political beliefs is "Good and Moral" is something I consider abhorrent and it's mainly being pushed by the SJWs and the political forces they are co-opting. Sadly the phenomena seems to only be coming from one side which makes the notion of "You shouldn't hate people for their political beliefs" a political notion instead of the basic common decency that it should be.

Quote from: CRKrueger;1056088BTW, you guys are drifting from the topic of RPG settings reflecting/being infected by real world politics and discussing real world politics directly.

A fine line and subtle distinction. And one drawn highlighted whenever conversations veer from the narrative.

But you're right CRKrueger. And I can't be bothered to explain this all again Rhedyn anyway.

I guess my feeling is that excessive socjus gives me another excuse not to buy books I probably wouldn't have used much anyway. I've had surprisingly little use out of Volo's, Xanathar's, or the third party monster books I bought - 5e feels very complete in three books. And WoTC have a tradition of producing pretty crappy adventure books; Tales From the Yawning Portal manages to be inferior to the stuff it was converted from, even for use in 5e.

So the big D&D survey was careful to ask which you identify as: male, female, or other.

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1056079As hate-filled as they are, I don't think SJWs have gone so far as "all non-woke must die" either.

But several on social media have promoted 'punching nazis' with nazi the default term for people they don't like.  I've seen a post wherein a mentally ill comic creator claimed to want to bash Trump voters in the face with a baseball bat.  I know of another who claimed to want a button that kills all Republican senators, push it and then go back to sleep.

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1056079The question was whether there are people on the right are ALSO guilty of hating people for their political beliefs.

Of course they do.  But those used to be the extremists.  Now, they're given a platform and are allowed to look bigger than they are.

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1056079I have ecountered people on the right who hate me because of what I believe. That's something I know, because they said to my face.

So?  I have had people hate me because I'm ugly.  Because I game.  Because I don't drink the Kool-Aid.  Because I simply exist.  People will always hate you.

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1056079To what extent that anecdotal evidence indicates the nature of the right-wing demographic as a whole, I have no idea.

About as many as there are extreme leftists.

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1056079But let's not do the "we are the rational dispassionate ones" thing, please.

The problem is that most of those aren't right nor left to any major degree.  But they're lumped into the Right because the Left don't want to hear what they want to say.

Quote from: KingCheops;1056112So the big D&D survey was careful to ask which you identify as: male, female, or other.

Yeah, I noticed that too. Puhlease...